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BBC on surrogacy legislation in Italy

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HerGorgeousMajestyArabellaScott · 20/10/2024 10:28

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66860266

'... the Italian senate is set to approve a bill that would make surrogacy a "universal crime" - one so serious that it would be prosecuted even if committed abroad, like human trafficking or paedophilia. '

The BBC article presents this as purely a LGBT issue, which makes it somewhat odd to read.The article also includes discussion of a separate legal issue - as far as I can tell, to do with birth certificates and same-sex parents, although there is scant detail on this part.

'Artificial insemination or adoption are not options for LGBT couples here, so for many, surrogacy abroad is the only way to have a family.

The practice has been at the centre of a fractious political debate.
Meloni has described it as "a symbol of an abominable society that confuses desire with rights and replaces God with money".
And Deputy Prime Minister Matteo Salvini compared surrogacy to using a cash dispenser: "An ATM-woman… that produces babies... is an aberration," he said.
"I will fight this barbarous and inhumane practice - just the thought of it makes me sick."'

Responses from the government:

'Carolina Varchi, the Brothers of Italy MP who drafted the bill, vehemently rejects that. "Most people who use surrogacy are heterosexual," she says.
Experts have told the BBC that 90% of the couples who use surrogacy in Italy are straight, and many of them hide the fact that they have gone abroad to have a baby.
But same-sex families returning to Italy with a child will not be able to hide.
Ms Varchi strongly believes the new law will "protect women and their dignity".
"It's intolerable. Women's bodies are reduced to objects that are rented for nine months to bring a child into the world, who is then ripped away to be delivered to the clients."
Ms Varchi adds: "We are not discriminating against children. This bill only targets the parents who commission a baby."
She told the BBC that surrogacy should be seen as a crime as serious as paedophilia, and prosecuted as such. However she suggested that most people would receive a fine, rather than face prison.'

If anyone has any further info on what's happening in Italy wrt surrogacy that would be great to hear.

Mauro holding Luisa

‘The state says our kids don’t exist’ - how LGBT life is changing in Italy

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66860266

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FannyCann · 20/10/2024 11:21

OP I have seen evidence (sorry, source confidential so not giving more details) that the ban has caused panic among SMs in USA who are part way through a pregnancy for Italian commissioning parents. No idea what will happen in these cases. But one case of a recently delivered SM the CPs were lawyers and in expectation of the ban the commissioning mother has worn a fake belly throughout the pregnancy as well as being large amounts of cash to the USA to cover costs (presumably without leaving a banking trail).

Lovelyview · 20/10/2024 11:11

I should add that I don't agree with Meloni that parents should only be heterosexual married couples.

Lovelyview · 20/10/2024 10:56

I'm glad that they've taken this position. It's interesting as someone who identifies as centre left politically to find myself aligned with the 'right' on a number of issues. I'm horrified at the capitalist exploitation of women's bodies by surrogacy and the fact that anyone can buy a baby for the price of a nice car.

SouthernFashionista · 20/10/2024 10:29

Bravo Italy. This is a move I welcome wholeheartedly. As a Catholic yes but more importantly as a woman.