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Missionimprobable · 15/10/2024 19:38

Is there a term or name for someone who champions any & all diverse groups who absolutely refuses to listen to another side of the argument & if you disagree with anything they say you are labelled homophonic, terf, racist etc.
They seem to be completely offended by my very existence of being a straight, white, middle-aged female.
It's a work situation that has gone on so long to the point that I'm completely silenced in meetings, I actually don't dare speak.
I need to stick up for myself but finding it difficult.

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YellowAsteroid · 17/10/2024 12:28

Amongst many social justice warrior types, in my experience, this is seen as an aggression in itself.

Yes, this is a pattern amongst those who want to virtue signal. The irony in @Missionimprobable 's case is that the person who appears to be bullying is a white woman herself.

JoodyBlueToo · 17/10/2024 11:49

With regard to @Bookery post. I don't think there is a misconstruable or inappropriate question to ask. Questions are a means to understanding between two parties. The OP cannot control and is not responsible for how the other party sees her. The "not allowed as a white person" comment does reflect some of the narrative we hear currently in cultural discussions led by books like "Why I'm no longer talking to white people about race".

The issue here appears to be that the OP is asking any sort of question. Amongst many social justice warrior types, in my experience, this is seen as an aggression in itself. We are not allowed to question or discuss. There is a receivable narrative and that is it. It is a would-be social dictatorship .

Good advice has been given OP. I suspect the problem is not you. We are living through a really strange period at present. I think it will calm down in time. Meanwhile do protect yourself, note down things are you uncomfortable with. You could go ahead with the grievance but it might make things very uncomfortable. Or bide your time quietly and wait for it all to pass. I think it will. The culture is shifting. People are fed up with this sort of thing - continually being accused of crimes of which we have no knowledge. Life in the UK in 2024 is quite Kafkaesque if you are familiar with the term. Take care.

Edenvale · 16/10/2024 23:50

If your manager is aware of her behaviour, why isn't he/she dealing with it? It shouldn't be up to a manager to recommend an employee starts a grievance.

Bookery · 16/10/2024 23:40

Missionimprobable · 15/10/2024 21:07

Racist due to asking a question during a discussion on race during a d&i session, not allowed as a white person apparently.
Homophobic when I didn't know what the Stonewall Riots were.
I'm actually interested in all views and I was asking questions to better understand during D&I sessions.
She's actually a bit of a bully who has her sights firmly set on me, seems to think the world's ills lay firmly at my feet.
In reality I'm a people person, I'm interested in other people, their life experiences, my mantra is live your life and be happy, I'm not a hater.
Funny thing is she's a white middle-aged woman.

It might depend on the question you asked during the meeting because sometimes a simple question can be misinterpreted, and without knowing the question or topic of the discussion it's hard to say whether the question came across as disingenuous or dismissive; I'm not sure what to think of the "not allowed as a white person apparently" part.

It's possible that your question may have been genuinely misconstrued or inappropriate, and it's also possible that the person who continues to take issue with you is seeing you in a negative light and these instances amplify that, resulting in a hostile work relationship. If it amounts to a hostile work environment, I hope you can explore options to address that.

SamuelDJackson · 16/10/2024 23:19

No snappy responses Mission - you don't need them.
Channel calmness, politeness and gentle bemusement when she starts on you - dont her behavior out but stick to the issue in hand. Dont give her any ammunition for DARVO.
Other people are noticing the interactions between you and the fact that others have complained to your manager on your behalf/your manager is suggesting a grievance procedure suggests that they see the situation and who is the aggressor in the incidents.

Perhaps the term you were needing was Cry-bully?

Missionimprobable · 16/10/2024 19:56

@YellowAsteroid
Thank you for your advice.
I'm sorry that you've also had a terrible experience, it's awful isnt?
I hope your situation has improved.
Could you ever imagine treating someone they way you've been treated?
It's unthinkable isn't it, I just don't understand what people get put of it, I'd be wracked with guilt

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YellowAsteroid · 16/10/2024 17:41

There was an incident (another untrue accusation against me) yesterday which prompted my op, luckily it was witnessed and my manager has been informed.
He has advised me today to start a formal grievance, he's been aware of all the instances of her petty and not so petty attacks.
I'm giving it some serious thought tonight, luckily I started making notes when she first started being horrible to me.
It sounds ridiculous, I hate to say she bullies me, I sound pathetic (we're not school girls) but bullying is what it is.

Yes @Missionimprobable and in my experience of being bullied (both in the playground and in a job I had) bullies rely on the actual hostile actions they take being small & trivial. It means that if the victim complains, they appear to be complaining about something trivial and the bully always has the get out "Oh, it was only a joke."

I was given jobs below my grade & expertise; I was required to move offices as the one I had was apparently "too big" for my grade; and I was left out of information loops. No one thing didn't have an apparently legitimate reason, but there was a pattern of exclusion and subtle denigration.

The main thing is to keep a record, as your manager suggests, and show the pattern and consistency and frequency of these small comments & actions and accusations. Date, time, substance of the event/comment.

Good luck.

Missionimprobable · 16/10/2024 17:17

@SamuelDJackson
Yes, my manager is aware and has been all along.
He's advised me today to raise a grievance as several other people have raised the way she treats me with him including a senior member of management who has overheard her.
I've been loathe to take it further as she come across as "delicate", poor mental health.
It needs to stop though as it's affecting my mental health

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Missionimprobable · 16/10/2024 17:11

@teawamutu
Thank you for that, made me smile after another shitty day 😄

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Missionimprobable · 16/10/2024 17:09

@YellowAsteroid
Yes it definitely feels like she's competing with me, we started off pretty friendly but as I began making work pals within the team she started with petty comments which have escalated.
I really could do with workshopping some responses with the help of the mn hive mind.
There was an incident (another untrue accusation against me) yesterday which prompted my op, luckily it was witnessed and my manager has been informed.
He has advised me today to start a formal grievance, he's been aware of all the instances of her petty and not so petty attacks.
I'm giving it some serious thought tonight, luckily I started making notes when she first started being horrible to me.
It sounds ridiculous, I hate to say she bullies me, I sound pathetic (we're not school girls) but bullying is what it is.

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SamuelDJackson · 16/10/2024 09:20

So she is all the evils combined herself (female, white, middle aged, so on)
Is she just screaming 'do it to Julia'?
Has anyone else noticed the behaviour? is there anywhere you could raise her manner towards you and how this affects you? eg the unneccesarily combatitive/countemptous manner in responding to a colleague?

teawamutu · 16/10/2024 08:20

Misogynist wanker.

YellowAsteroid · 16/10/2024 06:45

Although I’ve now RTFT Wink and seen that my suggestions after “bigot” are way off - showing my bias, I guess.

It sounds as though your colleague is using. EDI stuff to compete with you in some way.

If you want to, you could “workshop” some responses here. The clever brains of MN and FWR could help you with some responses. But I get what you mean by feeling silenced.

YellowAsteroid · 16/10/2024 06:39

Bigot.

also:
Young

Arrogant

A man.

Missionimprobable · 16/10/2024 06:09

@Skifflittlefingers
Thank you for directing me to the podcast, I'll definitely listen to it

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Missionimprobable · 16/10/2024 06:08

@ellenback21
Thank you for the link and yes I don't want to admit she bullies me but I do feel bullied

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Skifflittlefingers · 15/10/2024 22:45

The word is bigot.

Can I suggest listening to the podcast This Isn't Working? It's a fantastic podcast led by two HR people who have nothing good to say about the radical political views found in many EDI teams. They seem very on the ball and it's a great intro for those unfamiliar with this type of corporate dysfunction - and might help you realise how not alone you are.

ellenback21 · 15/10/2024 22:22

That sounds awful. I think you should give serious consideration to the possibility that you are being bullied. You describe being labelled as a homophobe, terf, racist. You feel silenced in meetings, unable to speak. ACAS has a page on bullying at work: https://www.acas.org.uk/bullying-at-work

What bullying is - Bullying at work - Acas

What bullying means, including employer responsibilities and what to do if you're being bullied at work.

https://www.acas.org.uk/bullying-at-work

Missionimprobable · 15/10/2024 22:05

Screamingabdabz · 15/10/2024 21:39

These kind of people actually work against the principles of EDI because they shut down people’s authentic and unconscious prejudices. It’s only when we ask questions and challenge things that real debate and mutual understanding can happen.

But you’ll never reconcile to fanatical idiots like this unless you’re really ten steps ahead and can debate them into the ground. But who can be arsed with that?

Absolutely how I feel about the situation.
It should be an opportunity to ask questions and understand but she makes it a hostile environment which silences me.

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Screamingabdabz · 15/10/2024 21:39

These kind of people actually work against the principles of EDI because they shut down people’s authentic and unconscious prejudices. It’s only when we ask questions and challenge things that real debate and mutual understanding can happen.

But you’ll never reconcile to fanatical idiots like this unless you’re really ten steps ahead and can debate them into the ground. But who can be arsed with that?

Missionimprobable · 15/10/2024 21:34

biddyboo · 15/10/2024 20:13

I have someone like that in my workplace
She's a bully, but she gets away with it because she's an "ally".

This just about sums her up too, she just gets away with it

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Missionimprobable · 15/10/2024 21:33

Bannedontherun · 15/10/2024 21:30

Oh dear.my advice is go silent, hear all that she spews out, take notes on it all and then go arm yourself on the internet.

You will be more ready for sound bites after that.

Sound advice, thank you❤️

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Missionimprobable · 15/10/2024 21:33

JanesLittleGirl · 15/10/2024 21:22

I have a number of terms but none that could be repeated in the company of my great aunt.

That cheered me up, thank you 😂

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Bannedontherun · 15/10/2024 21:30

Oh dear.my advice is go silent, hear all that she spews out, take notes on it all and then go arm yourself on the internet.

You will be more ready for sound bites after that.

JanesLittleGirl · 15/10/2024 21:22

I have a number of terms but none that could be repeated in the company of my great aunt.