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Execrable piece on JKR in “The Independent” 13/10/24

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NitroNine · 14/10/2024 05:35

It’s an opinion piece, which the author seems to have understood as meaning “actively avoid facts & research, just wang on”. His ramblings are focused on her tweet about Butlins turfing (?terfing) 5 male people out of the women’s loos (then apologising because said male people feel entitled to use facilities for those of the opposite sex); a situation FWR have been discussing here.

The “sad new low” is this absolute trash being published by a once-reputable publication. Idiot selfish man whining about how he liked ready “Harry Potter” when he was younger - & immediately demonstrating he’d not even understood Rowling’s children’s books, let alone these far more serious issues.

An alarming number of the comments are ascientific twaddle &/or regurgitations of the full gamut of unsubstantiated claims.., definite suggestion, too, of Shenanigans, with comments in odd mixtures of US & UK English (NB not Canadian English, which does of course blend the two, but a clunky mixing of terms as of copy-pasting) 🤨

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HoneyButterPopcorn · 15/10/2024 09:50

So they went en masse to the ladies loos!? Why would they do that?

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 15/10/2024 09:30

I'd like to know which books he would recommend. The ones I have read that might fit his criteria are full of unscientific nonsense and bias. I would happily recommend Hounded by Jenny Lindsay to him though, based on the Prologue and the first chapter. So far it is excellent.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/10/2024 09:18

I think it is almost exclusively populated by escapees from Twitter/X, whinging about Elon and JKR.

Anicecumberlandsausage · 15/10/2024 07:26

@snugasbuginarug I am on Threads and everyone hates JKR, Rosie Duffield, Elon Musk and TwitterX. I block block block.

Pudmyboy · 15/10/2024 01:39

Yeuch. Can't believe how far the Independent has fallen.

UtopiaPlanitia · 15/10/2024 01:16

@PriOn1 Here's an archive link if you want to avoid giving him clicks for his clickbaity article:

https://archive.ph/Tdo1q

Westea · 15/10/2024 00:53

I found it interesting that the columnist didn't address the incident itself directly (5 transwomen in a ladies' toilet at the same time?) but used the space to write about JKR's bigotry only. There wasn't much in it we haven't heard already.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/10/2024 23:51

I think many of us have given Meta up for lost, but I know what you mean.

snugasbuginarug · 14/10/2024 22:33

@Ereshkigalangcleg My thoughts are some of you, super articulate people with clear understanding of the issues, need to be a bit more present on Instagram and Threads and subtly try and bring some sense back.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/10/2024 22:17

What's your thoughts on the issue, @snugasbuginarug ?

snugasbuginarug · 14/10/2024 21:55

Well, I'm newish to all of this but my Instagram and Threads are flooded with vile comments about JK Rowling. Pure hatred from young men and women. :(

PriOn1 · 14/10/2024 20:57

Well I’m not going to click on the link as misogynists don’t deserve the clicks, but it is ridiculous how people can be defending 5 men who were so persistent in occupying the women’s toilets that there was time to call security while they were all still in there. I don’t think they just wanted to pee….

IDontHateRainbows · 14/10/2024 16:21

Toseland · 14/10/2024 08:38

Much is made of how security 'slammed against walls', 'dragged them out' as if that's outrageous behaviour - but that means these 5 men were refusing to leave and caused a scene. Security were just doing their jobs.

Agreed, people who leave quietly don't get slammed against a wall. Security have to be very careful in using force though as other wise they can lose their license and I have no doubt the usual mob have already reported this yo the SIA

FranticFrankie · 14/10/2024 16:16

What an angry little man

Sazzasez · 14/10/2024 14:11

JRSKSSBH · 14/10/2024 08:43

Who reads The Independent now? It is irrelevant, dull and in love with its own perceived virtue.

Pink News for people who’ve never heard of Pink News.

Justme56 · 14/10/2024 10:16

Followed this on X where the comments were less favourable. His response to one shows how little he thinks of any concerns raised.

https://x.com/womenssocire/status/1845543052716458446?s=46&t=ZX_bLozRqm8etdGICMcAvA

x.com

https://x.com/womenssocire/status/1845543052716458446?s=46&t=ZX_bLozRqm8etdGICMcAvA

RoyalCorgi · 14/10/2024 10:13

NitroNine · 14/10/2024 09:50

BezMills I know, here I am, a veritable litany of wow! words at my fingertips & somehow I’m posting on MN & that utter nugget is being paid actual money for the twaddle he produces. Hélas, the world, it is cruel & unjust.

I was going to write that if he's a freelance journalist, he's probably not being paid very much. I know people who have written for the Voices section and the fee is negligible. But it turns out he's actually a commissioning editor and columnist for the section. He still probably doesn't get paid that much, but the very fact that a newspaper is willing to pay him a salary to churn out this drivel on a regular basis is a sad indictment of the Independent's values.

BezMills · 14/10/2024 09:57

O tempore o mores

NitroNine · 14/10/2024 09:50

BezMills I know, here I am, a veritable litany of wow! words at my fingertips & somehow I’m posting on MN & that utter nugget is being paid actual money for the twaddle he produces. Hélas, the world, it is cruel & unjust.

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BezMills · 14/10/2024 09:25

I just like the word execrable

MrsOvertonsWindow · 14/10/2024 08:55

ManyATrueWord · 14/10/2024 08:19

Dude sounds like a country Victorian clergyman having a rant about things of which he does not know.

Yes - there seems to be the return of a Victorian morality. Women must only speak when men (or pompous youngsters) decree. You see it occasionally on here when one of the more rigid minded posters with a dislike of women starts dominating a thread, solely focused on stopping women voice their opinions.

RoyalCorgi · 14/10/2024 08:53

If you click through to the guy's profile, he also has an opinion piece on why the Harry Potter tv series is doomed to failure, and why Rosie Duffield is a terrible person. Basically, he's just another man who gets very angry at women who stand up for their rights.

The Independent was once a great newspaper - I find it sad that it's reduced to publishing trash like this.

Anicecumberlandsausage · 14/10/2024 08:48

Clickbait. ((Shrugs))

I don't think any mainstream news source has credibility these days. They all read like comics.

JRSKSSBH · 14/10/2024 08:43

Who reads The Independent now? It is irrelevant, dull and in love with its own perceived virtue.

Toseland · 14/10/2024 08:38

Much is made of how security 'slammed against walls', 'dragged them out' as if that's outrageous behaviour - but that means these 5 men were refusing to leave and caused a scene. Security were just doing their jobs.

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