Women with alopecia harassed in woman's toilets at airport

But this didn't happen to this woman nor has she claimed it did. It's a screenshot she's posted of someone else's account of events. We don't actually know who it happened to, could have been a masculine looking woman with alopecia, could have been a transwoman with male pattern baldness claiming alopecia. It could be completely fabricated. All we know is that this woman has posted it in support.

'I've said it several times, the gender critical movement harms all women'

Of course, it is also important here to point out the significance of how extreme activists have detached ‘feminist’ and now wrongly use the term ‘gender critical’.

Through this deliberate detachment the ‘gender critical feminist’ movement is now the ‘gender critical movement’ and has not got the foundations of feminist principles.

Chris and others now lazily use the term to mean anyone who believes that sex is immutable. And they wrongly and deliberately include all those people who are not feminists and who don’t even reject gender stereotypes. It is a meaningless term. Just like ‘cis’ is meaningless for describing female people, yet chris still does this. Even after all the explanations.

But of course, women discussing their needs in excluding male people have to be blamed for causing the fear people have of those male people in single sex spaces. Because… of course the fear could never be correctly attributed to the male people themselves for causing the distress.

That the trope repeated by chris and others is very misogynistic doesn’t seem to get acknowledged by them even though they have been on threads arguing this over and over. And have seen that it is misogynistic being pointed out.

it is that magic thing misogyny, it allows people to amplify some things that are said by female people and frame them negatively while ignoring the rest or pretending to not hear the rest. I notice is it only ever the female people though who get this treatment.

Indeed. After all, those teenagers spotted Eddie Izzard was out of place in a women’s toilet decades ago. Yes, TW’s have been encroaching on female spaces for years, but until recently women knew they had the backing of society to push back and insist they leave.

TRA want us to believe that TW have always used womans spaces, either undetected or not, and its only recently GC woman have existed and complained about it. And because the majority of TW pass and there's a greater number of non feminine women, these women are more likely to be targets than TW.

Its a genderist perspective - they use indicators that are gender - clothes, make-up, haircuts. When GC and the vast majority of women wouldnt use these because lots of women dont wear lots of make up, wear trousers and have short hair.

Of course if women see a masculine looking person in a public toilet, they are going to double check, we always have. Its a natural safety reflex. And the reaction is going to be different for each woman and situation.

But TRA claim its only the recent phenomenon of GC women doing this and its wrong. They want women who have always reacted this way to stop.

But its not a recent thing to be wary of who is in womens spaces, its just something they experience because they are more likely to use womens spaces now.

@Christinapple 'I've said it several times, the gender critical movement harms all women' Yes, you've popped up on these boards many times with your ill-informed opinions but this one is your worst. If this happened - and as others have said the accuser must have been mentally ill or very short sighted - then it shows the opposite of what you say. Transgenderism is harming women by making them fearful and suspicious in places that should be single sex. The Darlington nurses are fighting to be able to get changed in a single sex spaces and these battles are playing out across the world because idiots in power listen to men in dresses over women. We say no.

No, that is linguistic sleight of hand again.
We aren't saying women "look a certain way", we're saying women are easily distinguishable from men the vast majority of the time.
There are physiological markers which we all instinctively and unconsciously observe.

Women can and do look any way they choose. They are still women.

Genderists' obsessive insistence that being a woman includes conforming to norms of attractiveness or femininity makes it difficult for them to understand:
Anyone can be feminine.
Only female people are women.

Can I just say I know of plenty of women, particularly in my local lesbian scene who could easily be considered to look male if they were bald, and in fact many have been frequently challenged in women's bathrooms over the years even with short mid and long hair. They are all gc lesbians and are very happy with their biological vaginas and breasts 🙄.

Those saying they call bs because 'bald women look a certain way' are just as bad as those who would call someone out who looks masculine 🫠 Christ, you'd have a field day in the rugby or rollerderby scenes.

🤔I'm sure I read a post by the OP yesterday that was in a vaguely similar vein...

Ah, yes. They claimed that Reduxx is a hate site.

Good answer. Mind, I don't believe you can't change sex, I damn well know you can't!

You dont need to use the word ‘natal’ before ‘woman’ or ‘female’.

Yes, because you did.

This screenshot was doing the rounds a few years ago. anyone can write anything on SM you know.

Exactly this.

Trans ideology means that gender non-conforming women are made uncomfortable. If men stopped pretending to be women this would not happen.

Going back to the original OP:

TRA exploits scenario where "Woman with medical condition is bad-mouthed by woman who should know better."

This

Because Flirts, you are expecting coherence and logic where all there is appeals to emotion.

You have to stay focused on the male people and be convinced that they should be allowed to enter female single sex spaces.

I fear you may be expecting a consistent and thought through approach Rhinos.

Hang on a minute...

TRAs and their allies believe trans women are women, right? That ones body sex is no more significant to ones womanhood than a variation in skin colour or nationality or age or height or fertility? That there is no "right way to be a woman", no "what a woman should look like", no gatekeeping, no expectation that woman are female?

In other words, TRAs, if we take them at their word, believe there's nothing wrong or lower-status about being a trans woman.

So why are TRAs suddenly acting like being "wrongly accused of being trans" is a terrible terrible thing for a woman to endure? Surely if, as they say, everyone other than some weird angry TERFs accepts trans women unreservedly as woman, why is being wrongly assumed to be trans any worse than being wrongly assumed to be a a little older, or that you dye your hair when its your natural colour? Why the pearl-clutching all of a sudden?

yes. The intention is to shame any remaining woman or girl to never ask the question, ‘are you in the wrong toilet / changing room’ or get security or call the police again.

That is the aim.

The polarised, catastrophising, absolutist thinking that shapes the argument that concerned and worried female people reacting to that concern when the person being questioned is a female are somehow an indication that most female people cannot correctly sex a male person is absurd to see.

But it is weaponised nicely here and cheered on too I see.

It is fuckwittery and misogyny to point to the reason for this happening being because of women raising awareness of male people accessing female single sex spaces. How bereft of logic is that argument? Well, if women had not raised the public awareness, we are supposed to think that no woman would be challenged. And that no male person would be detected.

And yet, some women have always been challenged, rightly or wrongly. So that would never change.

And male people would still be challenged, even if other women had not raised awareness about this. Because it is a fact and will always be a fact that female people will be highly likely to correctly identify the sex of male people. This is not impacted in the slightest by feminists raising public awareness.

It was always a logic free, highly emotionally manipulative argument. And it is gaslighting to deny that even with the occasional error, in general female people will be highly likely to correctly sex a male person.

These occasional errors do not change the issue. No male person above the age of about 8 years old should be in female single sex spaces.

Hi @Christinapple

Is there any danger that you will return to this thread or did you just drop it as MSM fodder?

It literally is DARVO.

As always. The DARVO of the so-called "trans" movement is constant. And has been a notable feature throughout. They are debunked CONSTANTLY. Always the projection with the accusations being admissions, just like other narcissistic abusers.

Now imagine being such a stupid/easily led/disingenuous person that you'd actually support a movement that has so little evidence that it uses well-known DARVO and abuse tactics and has to lie ALL the time to get any traction, and then imagine actually congratulating yourself on being some kind of a progressive!

This is what TRAs, especially their "allies" do constantly. It's so sad, desperate and pathetic. Their entire movement is a lie.

"Mistaken for trans" isn't the same as being "mistaken for a man" though, is it?

As I said, all the scientific evidence is that the vast majority of people (including children) can tell pretty accurately what sex people are. Especially which ones are the males.

It is the Tra movement that harms all women

HTH