Women with alopecia harassed in woman's toilets at airport

"it will make some women more scared of questioning men."

And that, right there, is the motive of men like the OP.

And women and our reactions are collateral damage for men in our spaces? Which is what you want?

Yep, it would be like a bullying mean girl mocking a girl who is bald with cancer. Saying 'you look like a male', doesn't mean they mean girl actually thinks they're male.

Yeah, nah. GC women know and understand when someone suspects they're male. They don't go on twitter and attack fellow women for rightfully checking and safeguard.

It's always the women's fault 🙄 Definitely not the fault of the men who can't keep out of women's safe spaces.

When women's & men's loos were separate women didn't feel anxious about men concealing themselves as women. Now there could be men with penises in any women's safe place & no wonder women are on edge & wary of anyone that could me a man. Men/'transwomen' are the problem not women.

👏👏👏It is a cynical, spiteful and nasty attempt to gaslight women and set us up and attack us for reactions from a threat, a threat that they push in the first place. This tactic is the lowest of the low. But as we're seeing with trans/mens activism, there is not lowest of low they will not stoop to. They will use medical conditions, anything to push their hateful and toxic anti-feminist agenda. It's no surprise they will stoop to using medical conditions. They have no humanity or decency.

It's akin to blaming a rape victim flinching from a male and saying her reaction is causing harm to males and all rape victims too.

It's from the gutter and the lowest cruelty towards women possible.

Even if the OP's bizarre claim that GC views "harm all women" was somehow correct (and not merely an extreme overextrapolation from a single event), that wouldn't change the fact that we should reject trans ideology because it rests entirely on insane incoherent delusion.

Nope, don't buy they're GC. I'm active on GC twitter with following/followers around 2500 and have never come across them. (I've come across several trans activists passing themselves off as GC though to 'troll' GCers) I've heard two stories where women had side-eyes and one a question from another women in the ladies, and both of the women said they understood and appreciated other women checking. That's the reaction of GC women. To appreciate that other women do a safety to check make sure they're not male. They understand, they appreciate it and they are grateful for it.

You think it's surprising that women are on naturally high alert to the presence of males? Did you really not think that through?

Do you blame rape victims for their reactions to male strangers, too?

I don't buy this at all. It was clearly made up by a trans activist to cause trouble. You must think we all came down in the last shower.

Even if it were true, the fact that women are on such high alert due to males in our spaces is the fault of the trans activists that promote males in our spaces, causing women to be on high alert. This is more gaslighting for something that is the fault and complete doing of the trans activist movement.

This is classic gaslighting.
Insert males in female spaces;
females understandably get paranoid and are on high alert.
Now, blame women for their very understandable reactions to the influx of males.

CLASSIC GASLIGHTING. And shows how toxic the Mens Rights movement/trans movement is.

Not quite. It didn't happen to the woman who has reposted the story. She has however posted it to raise awareness yes.

Makes sense @WhosPink. So the woman it actually happened to seemingly wants to raise awareness about her medical condition, but some people who don’t know her have decided to use her experience to further their own campaigns 🙄

@Waitingfordoggo Lindsay didn't make any reference to GC views or otherwise - she just posted it as an example of the abuse that women with alopecia who dare to go out without a wig have to put up with. It was the OP who decided to re-purpose her post to push their own TRA views.

So a woman who appears to have some gender critical views has been accused of being male in a women’s toilet by someone who sounds completely unhinged.

My local town centre is often full of nutters (alcoholics, crackheads, people with very broken MH) who shout all sort of things at passers-by. I tend to blame the Tories for that sort of thing, thanks to the huge cuts to services over the past decade or so.

I don’t know whether this woman was at an airport in the UK or elsewhere, but you can find nutters almost everywhere. You can also find people like religious fundamentalists who think that women ‘should’ be feminine and wear their hair long, wear skirts etc.

None of this has anything to do with the feminists of MN who have GC views. 🤷🏼‍♀️

It would be interesting to see whether the woman in question still has GC views herself or whether this incident has made her suddenly believe that males with trans identities can take part in women’s sports. Seems doubtful.

This was a post by Lindsay Hannah. She's a female athlete who has total alopecia. She is gender critical and has posted on the matter of men in women's sports in the past. I don't understand why PPs are being so quick to dismiss her as a liar. I believe her.

It is absolutely factual that human beings can, in the vast majority of cases, easily differentiate between male and female.
There is a small minority of people who have brain conditions that makes it hard or impossible for them to recognise people, even those they know well, but that is as irrelevant to this issue as DSDs are to human sexual dimorphism.
At species level, individuals recognise the sex class of another individual the vast majority of the time.
And well done on the bravery of any woman who risks injury and social exclusion to stand up for female spaces. I don't think I'd be courageous enough to chase a male out of a toilet.

I didn't know you could see if someone was a lesbian. TBF some of the hetero school mums are quite butch looking to me but unmistakably women.

They say that abused people become hyper vigilant (even by the usual standards of womens' survival instinct). I'm less relaxed in single sex spaces than I used to be.

Out of interest,what's the alternative? Allowing obvious men into women's safe spaces? Erosion of female dignity and opportunities? Even having their own language to describe themselves and experience? If the op story happened,that's sad: but does seem unlikely unless the shouter was just a nutter.

Why have the spaces in the first place if few people can distinguish between the sexes?

We say with confidence the sex of people we don't know when discribing them. Parents tell their children to ask a lady for help if they get lost.

We know the difference, why pretend that we don't.

Because those who walk in to the designated spaces generally know what sex they are 🫠 they're not policed at the door

You're saying that under the impression everyone has the same degree of facial and feature recognition. They absolutely do not.

It must be the norm to be able to distinguish between men and woman, otherwise how would single sex spaces exist in the first place?

You're saying that under the impression everyone has the same degree of facial and feature recognition. They absolutely do not.

Oh yes. This was (unsurprisingly) not clear from the OP.

The tweet linked to in the opening post is just a screen shot. The woman posting the screen shot does not say this happened to her. I think she is just passing on the story.

Leaves me wondering even more what the point of this thread is, but I don't expect clarification will be forthcoming, unless you'd like to prove me wrong OP ?

Itchy chin

What's your point Chris?