Women with alopecia harassed in woman's toilets at airport

@Christinapple I am not seeing anything in the article itself that says shouty woman thought the runner was "transgender".
The title is Prick News's interpretation of the situation.

Your attempt to exploit someone's medical condition (someone you presumably don't even know) for your own ends is truly disgusting.

That's not being gender critical, that's just not being insane.

And she probably doesn't even realise you can get cancelled for saying stuff like that.

She makes posts such as this

Those lovely "gender neutral" toilets in schools result in some girls dehydrating themselves so they don't have to pee during the day and bunking off school when they have their period.

Trust me it happens. I'm a butch lesbian, happens to me a lot in women's toilets. I love gay venues partly because of the toilets. I prefer to share with drag Queens than be glared at or rudely told to get out, but thats just me.
I look forward to the day we have gender neutral toileting arrangements like some secondary schools do now. The cubicle thing. I am aware others feel strongly that this isn't a problem but it has been for me for decades!

I am unclear whether the incident actually happened to Lindsay Walter personally as the Tweet is a screenshot, rather than her writing about the incident, or if it's her pasting something from elsewhere. Pink News reports the Tweet without further comment from her. Perhaps she answers in the comments but I didn't see it.

How do you know?

The woman who tweeted this is gender critical

Yes, woman with hairloss was mistaken for a male in airport toilets. Some people think this the fault of gender critical women for encouraging the challenging of men in women's spaces, others think it's the fault of trans activists who push for men to be in women's spaces.

I don't doubt that these things very occasionally happen. It is a problem that has arisen because women can no longer guarantee that their facilities will be male free.

It is a problem creating by transactivism and women are getting the blame.

Stop pushing for men in women's spaces and we'll all go back to being comfortable, knowing that every person in the women's loos is a woman regardless of how they look.

Prick News isn't a reliable media source, Christina.

Because trans activists gonna trans activist?

Can anyone sum up the thread for me? Nobody believes this shite, right?

Christinapple picks one occurance to prove that gender critical people are bad but if we point out multiple transwomen that have actually harmed women then that's us being transphobic. We cherry pick isolated incidents to smear all transpeople which us wrong but a single incident is absolutely fine for the genderists to declare that not believing in gender makes us the most awful people to walk the earth.

I'm surprised at the number of people here saying this didn't happen, why would she lie?

And when they're not drunk, or coked up? If they have taken their prescription meds?

We can tell men and women apart with a very high degree of accuracy - 98-99%. And not just by their faces. Their gait, their proportions. Their voices.
Babies can do it. Your dog or cat can do it, too.

That doesn't mean that every individual, whatever the circumstances, whether or not they have impaired sensory ability, can do this. It means that it's a fundamental human ability. Maybe Shouty Woman can't tell, but I'm betting she was just being horrible.

Well, there are outliers, as I said. They aren't the majority. The reason I keep talking about studies is the well worn and wholly false claims that "nobody can tell other people's sex" when it's been shown again and again that MOST people can, from an early age, and extremely easily. As I said. It's really not "a cloud cuckoo land view" as if I just invented it or pulled it out of nowhere, nor simply a personal opinion. If you wish to believe differently and that most people can't despite the evidence, that's up to you, but it's really not what the majority of evidence shows. 🙄

Anyway. I do hope it's not me being accused of making "knee jerk didn't happen" responses. Because I didn't say that, and very few of us did. We are questioning the reasoning of the OP, however, not to mention the usual claims that this is all somehow the fault of "GC women".

Agreed. I am however despairing of the knee-jerk "didn't happen" responses.

Did these studies include the nutters, drunks, and coked-up dickheads that make up a substantial proportion of the public toilet-using public? I wouldn't trust their judgement to identify an elephant at 20 metres.

You would be surprised at the number of people, usually people with either eyesight problems, mental illness, learning difficulties, or dementia, or just plain hard of thinking, who use hair length and clothing as an indicator of sex.

I agree with you on the above, @WhosPink

Which is why I think it was contemptible of the OP to jump on this incident and immediately try to portray it as someone being gender critical.

Not to mention the despicable attempt to use someone's medical condition (alopecia) to score points. It's just utterly vile.

I'm basing that on (numerous, repeated) scientific studies which show MOST people can, which is not surprising really, as it's one of the first things we learn how to do cognitively. So no, it's really not "cloud cuckoo land", nor is it just a personal opinion. Of course, there will be occasional outliers, but the majority of people CAN easily identify of the sex of others.

Conservatively sexist people out in the wild, mind you, may indeed base it on things like hair and clothes.

Honestly, even if I believed this (and I don't - I've known tons of women who shaved their heads and they still dont get mistaken for men), while I'd condemn it, it's pretty weaksauce stuff as a justification for condemning the whole gender critical movement.

I mean, I could write a list here as long as your arm of transwomen with criminal convictions for violent assault, multiple rapes, child abuse and murder, and end the list with the statement that "the gender ideology movement harms all women". Nobody should be mean to women in women's loos, and I do suppose its possible that someone made a mistake, but it really hardly stacks up against the list of major crimes from the transactivist side, does it?

I didn't know the OP had previously on other threads had said they're trans, which you say they have so ok. That's why I was asking where people were getting that from.
That was a confused emoji , btw 😕
Not a sad one ☹️
They do look similar though to be fair!

@DustyAmuseAlien Lindsay hasn't accused the woman who abused her of being GC - that's down to the OP on this thread who has re-purposed her twitter post. I think Lindsay in justified in being pissed off at being accused of being a man. And apparently it's not the first time.

I think that posters who assure us that people can 100% accurately sex others in milliseconds are living in cloud cuckoo land. You would be surprised at the number of people, usually people with either eyesight problems, mental illness, learning difficulties, or dementia, or just plain hard of thinking, who use hair length and clothing as an indicator of sex. My (now departed) DGM was certain that DS was a girl simply due to his long hair, and nothing would convince her otherwise.

What I don't get is why the shouty woman in the story is being called "gender critical"

The shouty woman is being called "gender critical" by the OP because it is the OP's well-recognised tactic to disparage gender critical women at any opportunity. Even if the situation doesn't actually involve GC women.

See also: the OP's use of the word "trans". The OP wrote:
"Any women [sic] who doesn't meet the criteria of what a woman "should look like" is at risk of being wrongly accused of being trans."

But at no point in the quoted tweet has anyone accused anyone of "being trans".

It's an agenda.