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Women with alopecia harassed in woman's toilets at airport

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Christinapple · 13/10/2024 15:03

https://x.com/lindSAYhanNAH3/status/1844696180887794159

I've said it several times, the gender critical movement harms all women. Any women who doesn't meet the criteria of what a woman "should look like" is at risk of being wrongly accused of being trans.

Also makes me wonder about that other thread about FWSSport. If a woman with alopecia plays sport with other women are people who are gender critical going to mistake her as a man and report her to FWSSport who will store data on her?

Women with alopecia harassed in woman's toilets at airport
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HomewardBoundSF · 16/10/2024 18:25

Well yes, you're either 100% all in or you're a terf who deserves all she gets. You can never do enough for trans activists. Nothing but complete capitulation in every single sphere is acceptable.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/10/2024 18:21

On Friday night, McLaughlin used a choke hold to beat 32-year-old Celine Provost, a clearly more skilled fighter, who could simply not compete with the strength of a man. Women and men alike know full well that even very strong, athletic women can be taken down by regular men, never mind an ex-Special Forces soldier, which is why, for example, male and female inmates are housed separately, based on sex, not fitness.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 16/10/2024 18:19

HomewardBoundSF · 16/10/2024 18:10

Looks like the sympathy of the Be Kind people evaporated pretty quickly when it turns out the alopecia suffering woman doesn't agree with men in women's sports.

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How utterly predictable.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/10/2024 18:18

Alana McLaughlin is a misogynistic male who beats up women in MMA fights.

HomewardBoundSF · 16/10/2024 18:10

Looks like the sympathy of the Be Kind people evaporated pretty quickly when it turns out the alopecia suffering woman doesn't agree with men in women's sports.

Women with alopecia harassed in woman's toilets at airport
Women with alopecia harassed in woman's toilets at airport
Women with alopecia harassed in woman's toilets at airport
MistyGreenAndBlue · 16/10/2024 17:34

IF this happened at all it was a case of a gender nonconforming woman being harassed for being gender nonconforming.

We know this because A - Transwomen are never bald, unmadeup, casually and gender neutrally dressed. On the contrary, long hair, makeup and tight skirts are favoured. The idea is to look as "feminine" as possible.

And B - Transwomen are known to be men and are never challenged in the way this woman was. I mean, this is the problem right?

She was challenged and harrased by someone who KNEW she was a woman - and this is always the case in these incidents I feel sure. And it has been happening for decades. Long before the current Trans activism trend. Because it's homophobia that is behind this behaviour.
TL:DR
Men in dresses are not challenged in women's spaces because women are afraid to do so. But women who do not look"feminine enough" can be safely challenged and harrased.
Ergo no one thinks these women are actually men. If they did, they'd leave them alone.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 16/10/2024 16:12

TofuTart · 16/10/2024 12:43

You just said something about scrutinising appearance
So you did read it really then.
It just doesn't fit your opinion so you pretend you can't see it.
Ok 👍

Gender critical feminism has nothing to do with scrutinising people's appearance.

Helleofabore · 16/10/2024 15:04

Helleofabore · 16/10/2024 12:36

Apparently scrutinising people's appearance causes so much more harm to women than supporting male people being in female single sex spaces, sports and taking opportunities meant to lift female people out of the negative impacts of sex discrimination as they have experience for millennia collectively.

Have I got that right?

I mean, if this interpretation is correct, I would describe this opinion in the same way I would describe the opinion that a woman being in a robe in the wi spa reception complainging is more ‘egregious’ in her actions than the naked male with an aroused penis getting into a bath a metre away from a nine year old girl. And that description would be that the holder of that opinion has perhaps got priorities that are not centred on female people.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 16/10/2024 14:03

Christinapple · 16/10/2024 13:33

What could be meant here by "investigative journalism"? Because they doxx trans people, the same as kiwifarms do.

Receipts please.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/10/2024 13:36

Reduxx only ever report on "trans people" doing things they should not be doing. 99 times out of 100 the "trans people" they report on are male people abusing women in some way.

Christinapple · 16/10/2024 13:33

Snowypeaks · 15/10/2024 17:38

That will be because they are reliable - especially Reduxx, who really set the gold standard for investigative journalism. The Daily Mail has its flaws but is reliable on this issue.

What could be meant here by "investigative journalism"? Because they doxx trans people, the same as kiwifarms do.

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hihelenhi · 16/10/2024 13:26

The idea that women who have spent all their lives being anti regressive sex stereotypes (such as "real women adhere to patriarchal ideas of 'femininity'") police other women on the basis of their adherence to... regressive sex stereotypes such as patriarchal ideas of 'femininity' , beggars belief.

That isn't what "gender critical" is. "Gender" = regressive sex stereotypes (like "women must be feminine" "ladybrain" "pink for girls", "women are naturally submissive/like cooking/are good at typing/bad drivers") that sort of rubbish. "Critical" = critical of that. Not supportive of that. Literally the ONLY criteria for being female is being actually, biologically female. It's nothing to do with such backwards ideas about "femininity". Males, regardless of outfit, hairstyle, likes, dislikes, personality can't be female, because they will always be biologically male. Human personalities are much freer and wide ranging than limiting "gender" boxes.

Meanwhile, the trans movement and its ideology is ENTIRELY built on the same regressive sex stereotypes that feminists critical of "gender" (which is a central tenet of feminism, or was back in the day) have been fighting for years and thought we'd got rid of in, oh, about the 1980s at the latest. But nope.

There appears to be some confusion. Some of it quite deliberate, I'd say.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/10/2024 13:16
  1. given the established meanings of the words 'gender' and 'critical': do you think it is likely that someone who is genuinely 'critical of gender' scrutinises women's appearance?

This poster regards some male people as women, so it makes sense in that context.

AliasGrace47 · 16/10/2024 13:03

Anyone saying GC women are a threat and police gender but TRAs don't.. words fail me. 🤔

AliasGrace47 · 16/10/2024 12:56

Helle, that's true. Yes, voice does make it a lot easier. Ofc some women have deeper and vice versa, but it's a pretty good indicator. Skeletal proportions too. And ofc black and white photos are even harder.
Josette, that's interesting you'd think she's male. I picked this photo as I think it's the one where she passes best, esp w the military uniform, but she still looks female to me- I think poss because my lovely first Head of year at secondary school looked quite similar.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 16/10/2024 12:51

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 16/10/2024 12:46

I read it. I still don't see how that explains how women wanting to retain single sex spaces and sports, and not believing you can change sex harms all women. For the second time. That is what being gender critical is.

yes, I mean the only explanation I can come up with is that this poster does not know the correct meaning of one or both of the words 'gender' and 'critical', and is therefore sorely mistaken about the beliefs of people who categorise themselves as gender critical. hence this whole heeelarious misunderstanding

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 16/10/2024 12:49

TofuTart · 16/10/2024 12:32

I mean, I literally said on page one Confused

so reviewing your posts of page 1, I'm guessing this is your explanation of how the gender critical movement harms all women:

So called gender criticals with their policing and scrutinising women's appearances are far more of a concern to me than people who are trans.

  1. given the established meanings of the words 'gender' and 'critical': do you think it is likely that someone who is genuinely 'critical of gender' scrutinises women's appearance?

  2. not all women. I don't think the gender critical movement has harmed me. at all

  3. you are more worried about people who you wrongly categorise as 'gender criticals' scrutinising women's appearance than (say) women being locked up with rapists. That's fine, you are entitled to your view. I would suggest it's unlikely to be representative though

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 16/10/2024 12:46

TofuTart · 16/10/2024 12:43

You just said something about scrutinising appearance
So you did read it really then.
It just doesn't fit your opinion so you pretend you can't see it.
Ok 👍

I read it. I still don't see how that explains how women wanting to retain single sex spaces and sports, and not believing you can change sex harms all women. For the second time. That is what being gender critical is.

TofuTart · 16/10/2024 12:43

You just said something about scrutinising appearance
So you did read it really then.
It just doesn't fit your opinion so you pretend you can't see it.
Ok 👍

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 16/10/2024 12:37

TofuTart · 16/10/2024 12:32

I mean, I literally said on page one Confused

I mean, you literally didn’t. Your posts didn’t explain much at all of how not believing you change sex and wanting to retain single sex spaces and sports harms ALL women.

You just said something about scrutinising appearance…

Helleofabore · 16/10/2024 12:36

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 16/10/2024 12:25

How does the GC movement 'harm most women?'. Very intrigued as to how one arrives at the conclusion.

Apparently scrutinising people's appearance causes so much more harm to women than supporting male people being in female single sex spaces, sports and taking opportunities meant to lift female people out of the negative impacts of sex discrimination as they have experience for millennia collectively.

Have I got that right?

TofuTart · 16/10/2024 12:32

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 16/10/2024 12:25

How does the GC movement 'harm most women?'. Very intrigued as to how one arrives at the conclusion.

I mean, I literally said on page one Confused

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 16/10/2024 12:31

Greyskybluesky · 16/10/2024 12:28

It's worse than that, Wes, apparently it harms all women. All of them. Every single one.

Christ. I'll await the explanation with bated breath.

Greyskybluesky · 16/10/2024 12:28

It's worse than that, Wes, apparently it harms all women. All of them. Every single one.