Women with alopecia harassed in woman's toilets at airport

I don't deny it happened. I am sorry that it happened to her. However, I think it's one of these unfortunate situations where a person behaves in an irrational way, nothing to do with being gender critical or anything else, more to with lack of support for mental health problems.

Not wanting someone with a penis in women's sport or bathrooms is nothing to do with the fact that some idiot allegedly mistook a bald woman for a bloke. It doesn't even sound that plausible because women's bodies look different to mens, not just the crown of their head?

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To those who deny that this happened, this is Lindsay's X page:

x.com/lindsayhannah3?lang=en

She is an ultra marathon runner, alopecia advocate and all-round good egg. If she says it happened then it happened. I feel very sorry for her. There are no excuses for the woman who gave her shit and she should hang her head in shame.

Maybe we need to have alopecia awareness month and alopecia day of visibility. I’m serious.

Whether or not this happened, and I believe that it could have, it doesn't make it acceptable for adult males, however they choose to identify, to be in women's public toilets.

The gender critical movement as you call it, would not even exist if men were not invading female spaces pretending to be women.

This.

So because Sinead O'Connor is known bald and she looks like a women, all bald women look like women. There can't possibly be women who would look like men when bald presumably being judged from behind.

Hang on Tufu, I was hoping we could talk about what you believe, what your argument is with respect to the OP pf this thread.

I've presented the straw man based on your statement that 'GC beliefs harm all women', that you believe the harm experienced by a woman with no hair being challenged in the ladies is greater than the harm experienced by women who were locked up in Bronzefield with the rapist Martin Ponting (who also likes to be called Jessica Winfield).

Is that your position?

I think people are being a bit disingenuous in denying that an actual woman would ever be challenged in a woman's loo. On the subreddits for butch lesbians there are lots of credible accounts of women being aggressively challenged in women's bathrooms. Often though this is in more rural or conservative US communities where the standard for female is quite hyperfeminine, & the women may just be being homophobic rather than actually thinking butch lesbians are men. I've heard of women who do mistake them for men at first glance, but personally I can't imagine making that mistake. This can't be blamed on the GC movement, it's a combo of sexism, lesbophobia & justified self ID panic imo. However, I don't sympathise w butch lesbians who actively try & pass as male or take T & then have this issue. If they're trying to be taken for a man, rather than a masculine woman, then this is going to instinctively frighten women in the loos. These are a minority ofc, most butch women are sympathetic to female struggles & are often threatened by men themselves. I think a minority are treated as 'one of the boys' , & are lucky enough to escape male threats, so then find it hard to understand why women are scared of a convincingly male-passing woman. But these are a tiny minority.
The lady w alopecia has probs been v unlucky. She shouldn't be dismissed as a liar, women can be horrible ofc, but I suspect it was nastiness rather than actually taking her for a man. Or poss it was a frightened woman, poss traumatised or scared of self ID, which is the fault of the TRAs.

What I hate about this sort of extremely rare (if it's true at all) event being used to criticise GC women, is that it will make some women more scared of questioning men. It's already frightening to stand up to a man who is likely to be bigger, stronger and more aggressive. Add to that the concern that you could be wrong and upset someone, and the number of women who will stay silent rises even more. This is the typical 'women must be kind at all costs' playbook.

Why?
Are you going to go say that to the GC poster on the thread who said it happened to them in the past too?
Or is that to be believed more because they're "GC?"
Or the others who have said it's happened to them?

Yes the ‘GC movement’ harms women because everyone who speaks up gets abused, assaulted, cancelled, threatened, sacked, sent death threats etc… It speaks volumes about who the other side are and what values they stand for. GC is the only rational and sane stance though…

Yes, I thought bright lipstick and a dress, false eyelashes and long pink nails?

This 100% didn’t happen. Fucking liars.

😮But how can anyone tell you're a woman if you never wear makeup? That's how we're supposed to identify women isn't it?

I am not convinced that the ‘woman with alopecia’ isn’t actually a ‘man with male pattern balding, who imagines he is in some way a woman’.

This is what you get if you pretend the word 'woman' includes men.

Before that, no one would accuse a woman of being a man.

A woman with no hair looks like a woman with no hair, not a man.
I was at an event last night and was sitting next to a TW, every gesture and movement was male. During lockdown when everyone worse masks it was still very very obvious what sex people were
I don't believe that hair loss would make a womans sex impossible to tell any more than I think a man putting a long wig on makes him look like a woman

I just use the pronouns that seem most appropriate when referring to posters. If the OP would like to clarify his sex he's most welcome to. It would be refreshing to see him actually engaging after one of his goady BS posts to be honest

OP is well known on FWR, instantly recognisable through multiple name changes.

Well no, seeing as I never wear make up myself, don't really want us to be arrested,😳😁

Okay Tofu, let's talk

are you seriously taking the position that because a woman with no hair got challenged in the ladies loo some men are really women and it's OK to lock women prisoners up with those men if one of them commits a crime?

let's talk about what you actually believe