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Imane Khelif and the WBO

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Citrusandginger · 10/10/2024 19:06

Looks like a ban is coming - from Sharron Davis' Twitter

x.com/sharrond62/status/1844425633834647779?s=46&t=OD0tMok8rbGQj0XbFHZNfA

Certainly hope this is true. Am mildly amused at the wording though. She is male. Does that get around the silly press rules?

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Helleofabore · 12/10/2024 21:21

and is recognised by the IOC as a female athlete.

Again, the very carefully constructed wording here.

Recognised by the IOC as a female athlete. It does not say that the WBO recognises this athlete as a female athlete.

And Banned, well, Khelif would not be banned from competing as a male.

maltravers · 12/10/2024 19:26

I note the words “recognised by the IOC as a female athlete.”
as opposed to “is a female athlete”

MarieDeGournay · 12/10/2024 17:45

While everybody else was blaming the far right/GC activists/the Kremlin/whoever for the controversy around Khélif at the Olympics, it was widely believed in Algeria that the controversy was orchestrated by Morocco, part of the bad relations between those two countries.
Maybe this fake news is part of the Moroccan campaign - if the existence of the campaign isn't fake news itself, of course!

happydappy2 · 12/10/2024 17:28

The IOC& WBO really need to sort this mess out-we can't got forward with males beating up women, in the womens category....thats just madness

Christinapple · 12/10/2024 16:56

https://www.bbc.com/sport/boxing/articles/cdjep0y1m0wo

Update, the BBC has posted an article today confirming the rumours are false.

"Imane Khelif has always competed in the women's division and is recognised by the IOC as a female athlete.

The World Boxing Organisation (WBO) says reports it has banned Olympic champion Imane Khelif and stripped her of her Paris gold medal for failing gender eligibility tests are "obviously false".

A report from an online sports blog was being shared on social media after claiming Khelif had been given a lifetime ban.

In a statement, the WBO's legal counsel Gustavo Olivieri said it had "not tested, nor had it banned" Khelif..."

MarieDeGournay · 11/10/2024 20:55

NoBinturongsHereMate · 11/10/2024 18:58

It was the IBA, rather than the WBO. But otherwise yes.

Oh right... thanks, NoBinturongsHereMate, I told you the details had got a bit hazy since the Olympic flame was put outSmile

NoBinturongsHereMate · 11/10/2024 18:58

MarieDeGournay · 11/10/2024 18:45

I became a bit of an expert on amateur boxing/IK/chromosomes etc during the OlympicsGrin
I've forgotten lots of the detail, but I think this is true:

  1. the WBO has already banned IK from women's boxing competitions that it controls because of two failed tests.
  2. the WBO has no power to rescind Olympic medals.
  3. the Olympics had their own eligibility rules for women's boxing, and IK qualified under those 'rules' at the time ['does your passport say you're a woman? in that case, box away, Madame..'] so they couldn't taken his medal away, it wouldn't be ...I was going to say 'fair', but you know what I mean - he was eligible at the time and he still has 'F' on his passport, so his Olympic eligibility hasn't changed at all.

So that's that😐

It was the IBA, rather than the WBO. But otherwise yes.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 11/10/2024 18:57

Imnobody4 · 11/10/2024 17:13

Yes it's just a matter of time as the evidence mounts.

https://x.com/icons_women/status/1844599449403977897?t=7IHGJ145d8y62W_xI_HyQA&s=19

SJSU’s male player, Blaire Fleming blasts another strike to the face of a female opponent in tonight’s match.

https://x.com/BrowngaGreg/status/1844619927547727920?t=SN9c1xtl-nHOKwp4GKC_rw&s=19

Abot 17 cm, or 6.7 inches, difference in vertical jump between college age men and women. Coincidentally, the net in men’s volleyball is 7 inches higher than in women’s.

Things that make you go “hmmm”

Is Fleming the player who's already left 1 of his opponents with paralysis and permanent brain damage or yet another man who likes hitting women in the head?

MarieDeGournay · 11/10/2024 18:45

I became a bit of an expert on amateur boxing/IK/chromosomes etc during the OlympicsGrin
I've forgotten lots of the detail, but I think this is true:

  1. the WBO has already banned IK from women's boxing competitions that it controls because of two failed tests.
  2. the WBO has no power to rescind Olympic medals.
  3. the Olympics had their own eligibility rules for women's boxing, and IK qualified under those 'rules' at the time ['does your passport say you're a woman? in that case, box away, Madame..'] so they couldn't taken his medal away, it wouldn't be ...I was going to say 'fair', but you know what I mean - he was eligible at the time and he still has 'F' on his passport, so his Olympic eligibility hasn't changed at all.

So that's that😐

Imnobody4 · 11/10/2024 17:13

Yes it's just a matter of time as the evidence mounts.

https://x.com/icons_women/status/1844599449403977897?t=7IHGJ145d8y62W_xI_HyQA&s=19

SJSU’s male player, Blaire Fleming blasts another strike to the face of a female opponent in tonight’s match.

https://x.com/BrowngaGreg/status/1844619927547727920?t=SN9c1xtl-nHOKwp4GKC_rw&s=19

Abot 17 cm, or 6.7 inches, difference in vertical jump between college age men and women. Coincidentally, the net in men’s volleyball is 7 inches higher than in women’s.

Things that make you go “hmmm”

x.com

https://x.com/BrowngaGreg/status/1844619927547727920?s=19&t=SN9c1xtl-nHOKwp4GKC_rw

DialSquare · 11/10/2024 11:28

Azertyuio123 · 11/10/2024 07:22

Genuine question: why are you so bothered?

Genuine question: why aren't you bothered?

sanluca · 11/10/2024 10:57

Christinapple · 11/10/2024 00:19

The claim made by Sharron Davies and her dodgy source (sports dot amazingtoday dot net) are false.

https://archive.ph/WJDJR

https://x.com/WorldBoxingOrg/status/1844496468025233813
https://archive.ph/bSQPU

The "Official Twitter account of the World Boxing Organization (WBO)" confirmed the rumours are false. Khelif is not banned, has not had anything rescinded and the WBO "wish her luck" for the future.

Still letting male people beat up female people as a sport then.

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 11/10/2024 08:16

Datun · 11/10/2024 07:49

There are loads of fake reports across social media that Khalif has been banned.

However these things work, there's clearly an interest in that happening.

Edited

That's an interesting way of looking at it. Hadn't thought of that.

Datun · 11/10/2024 07:49

There are loads of fake reports across social media that Khalif has been banned.

However these things work, there's clearly an interest in that happening.

Helleofabore · 11/10/2024 07:45

So which is it?

The WBO should not be trusted when they say that Khelif is male?

Or WBO now miraculously should be trusted because they confirm that the report was false?

Or the WBO can be trusted with the accuracy of both statements?

I mean, I believe the WBO to be reliable in both statements they have made about this athlete. So I am going for the third option.

But only a short time ago there were many posters declaring the WBO was just as corrupt as the IBO, that they should never be trusted because they made a statement confirming that Khelif is a male during the Olympics. It kind of made some arguments lose their consistency.

Datun · 11/10/2024 07:45

Azertyuio123 · 11/10/2024 07:22

Genuine question: why are you so bothered?

600 female athletes have lost out on 890 medals in 29 sports around the world due to competing against 'biological males'.

Igmum · 11/10/2024 07:42

Sadly it doesn't seem to be true. 600 women lose out on 890 medals still.

Helleofabore · 11/10/2024 07:34

Azertyuio123 · 11/10/2024 07:22

Genuine question: why are you so bothered?

Why are we bothered by a male athlete punching female athletes in the face when it is likely that male has punching power of 160+% than the female athletes?

That power that is enough to cause greater life shortening injuries than other competitors? And to mean that female competitors don’t have fair competition and the ability to be recognised for their skill?

Is that what you meant with your question?

lcakethereforeIam · 11/10/2024 07:30

Who are you addressing your question to?

Azertyuio123 · 11/10/2024 07:22

Genuine question: why are you so bothered?

lcakethereforeIam · 11/10/2024 07:11

Imagine she'd posted something completely batshit like, ooh, women can have a penis, or men can give birth!

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 11/10/2024 07:04

eatfigs · 11/10/2024 00:48

Bit awkward, getting taken in by that fake news article.

As opposed to getting taken in by doctored paperwork. Or the idea that saying some words changes your sex. Now THAT would be daft.

eatfigs · 11/10/2024 00:48

Bit awkward, getting taken in by that fake news article.

Christinapple · 11/10/2024 00:34

itsmylife7 · 11/10/2024 00:27

That article maybe "false" but it's true he's a cheating man.

Quotation marks not needed.

Sharron Davies has made false claims.

itsmylife7 · 11/10/2024 00:27

That article maybe "false" but it's true he's a cheating man.

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