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Tory leadership race: James Cleverly knocked out - leaving Robert Jenrick and Kemi Badenoch in final two

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IwantToRetire · 09/10/2024 17:53

There is shock and surprise after the former foreign secretary, who catapulted ahead after Tory conference, is eliminated from the contest.

Tory MPs held a final vote on Wednesday to reduce the field to a final two, who will then go to a ballot of Conservative members.

After picking up 42 votes in the final round of voting, Ms Badenoch re-established herself as the favourite after lagging behind in previous rounds.

Robert Jenrick, her close rival on the right, picked up one vote shy of Ms Badenoch, while Mr Cleverly - who was seen as a unifying candidate - won the backing of 37 MPs.

More at https://news.sky.com/story/tory-leadership-race-james-cleverly-knocked-out-leaving-robert-jenrick-and-kemi-badenoch-as-final-two-facing-party-membership-vote-13230871

Tory leadership race: James Cleverly knocked out - leaving Robert Jenrick and Kemi Badenoch in final two

There is shock and surprise after the former foreign secretary, who catapulted ahead after Tory conference, is eliminated from the contest.

https://news.sky.com/story/tory-leadership-race-james-cleverly-knocked-out-leaving-robert-jenrick-and-kemi-badenoch-as-final-two-facing-party-membership-vote-13230871

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WhosPink · 14/10/2024 13:34

TempestTost · 12/10/2024 17:33

I'm glad you said that because I was confused. If they choose her, than they have done it? Right?

I'm also not sure where these assumption that whoever is chosen now will not take them into the next election comes from. They've struggled with getting a leader to stick recently as we all know but that does not mean it will carry along in that vein. A lot will depend on how the person does and probably also how Starmer does.

It means even if she wins this leadership contest it is extremely unlikely that she will still be leader at the next election, and even more unlikely that she will be leader at any election that the Tories can actually win. They will likely cycle through at least one more leader before the next election and, assuming they lose that, another couple before the following election, which is reasonably the first they have a chance of winning. The party had five leaders in six years, and typically the leader churn is higher in opposition than in government.

BonfireLady · 13/10/2024 22:00

This too from today (branded as the Guardian not the Observer):

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/oct/13/conservatives-focus-group-kemi-badenoch-robert-jenrick-tory-leadership

IwantToRetire · 13/10/2024 21:38

Sonia Sodha in today's Observer:

A new report last week from Conservative thinktank Onward sets out how difficult it would be for the Tories to win the next election, but contains some surprising insights about the defectors who voted for the party in 2019 but not in 2024. Defectors to Lib Dem and Reform – more likely to say they would consider switching back than those that defected to Labour – say the most important thing the party could do to win them back is reduce immigration. A hardline approach to immigration might not be election-winning territory but it might help the Tories attract back a broader range of voters than one might initially assume.

Badenoch is clearly on the right when it comes to deregulation. But some of her policy positions are more nuanced than it first appears, and may allow her to hurt Starmer in a way that Cleverly couldn’t. Often depicted as a fervent culture warrior, it is very much true she enjoys combatively participating in debates, such as on the role of empire. But on the fraught issue of sex and gender, her position is not, in the main, out of step with the public and she may be able to embarrass Starmer, who has in the past shown bewildering levels of prevarication on whether biological sex matters when it comes to single-sex services, sports and spaces.

The problem with writing off all her views on identity as culture war irrelevance is that the left might not anticipate those occasions when what she says might actually resonate. That Badenoch has become such a cartoon villain is not simply a product of her gaffes or her outspokenness; it is also to do with the fact that there are those on the left who suffer from cognitive dissonance when it comes to rightwing politicians of colour, particularly women.

To be brown or black and rightwing is seen as a betrayal. So Kemi Badenoch, Suella Braverman and Priti Patel are indistinguishably lumped together; they may all be on the right of the party, but there are important differences and the one-dimensional lens they are seen through feels linked to the fact none of them are white.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/oct/13/kemi-badenoch-tory-leadership-contest-labour

These are just the middle section of a much longer article.

But it did make me think, as there has to be a new leader of the Tory Party, it would be great to have KB as leader of the opposition to really dig into whatever nonsense Labour comes up with about no need to clarify the meaning of the word sex in the EA.

But have to own up that on another thread today, it would be better if she didn't get the top job, then she could join the Women and Equalities Committee and try and stop them just wittering on about vulnerable trans people, and never ever acknowledging the negaitve impact trans rights are having on women's rights.

Kemi Badenoch is no cartoon villain. Labour underestimates her at its peril | Sonia Sodha

The favourite to win the leadership contest should give the left pause for thought on diversity

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/oct/13/kemi-badenoch-tory-leadership-contest-labour

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EasternStandard · 12/10/2024 19:17

illinivich · 12/10/2024 19:13

Tim Stanley on brendan o'neills postcast said that Cleverly got as far as he did because he was proud of the Conservatives track record, but ultimately failed for the same reason. That the party understands where they failed and needs a leader who recognises what needs to change.

Badenoch focusing on culture, Jenrick on immigration.

If labour continue to pretend neither is a problem, and whoever is leader actually address the issues, they have a chance to gain seats in the next election.

I watched about five minutes later on of Cleverly as I wondered why he was praised re the conference

I can see he has gravitas but I don’t think he would address the two issues you mention. The latter will increase in five years

illinivich · 12/10/2024 19:13

Tim Stanley on brendan o'neills postcast said that Cleverly got as far as he did because he was proud of the Conservatives track record, but ultimately failed for the same reason. That the party understands where they failed and needs a leader who recognises what needs to change.

Badenoch focusing on culture, Jenrick on immigration.

If labour continue to pretend neither is a problem, and whoever is leader actually address the issues, they have a chance to gain seats in the next election.

EasternStandard · 12/10/2024 19:11

I think some of this is wishful thinking.

If Starmer’s trajectory remains as is it changes the political situation a fair bit, and five years is an age away.

Already after 100 days people polled Sunak higher than Starmer

TooBigForMyBoots · 12/10/2024 18:55

I'm also not sure where these assumption that whoever is chosen now will not take them into the next election comes from.

Both are too emeshed with the last, failed Tory government. As well as them being connected to their failures there's a high chance of more Tory scandals emerging where they will be implicated.

Their lack of remorse and recognition of the damage done to the country.

The party is struggling with its identity. Are they Conservative? Are they Reform lite?

The aforementioned shocked groans of MPs when the result was announced.

The Tory party's current struggles to get a leader to stick.

EasternStandard · 12/10/2024 17:36

TempestTost · 12/10/2024 17:33

I'm glad you said that because I was confused. If they choose her, than they have done it? Right?

I'm also not sure where these assumption that whoever is chosen now will not take them into the next election comes from. They've struggled with getting a leader to stick recently as we all know but that does not mean it will carry along in that vein. A lot will depend on how the person does and probably also how Starmer does.

It does seem odd.

They each got the votes they did and sure those who miss out will be put out

As for rejoicing, Starmer’s first 100 days isn’t going too well for him and he’s got a long way to go

TempestTost · 12/10/2024 17:33

Rummly · 12/10/2024 16:39

What does this mean?

If she beats Jenrick she’s the leader.

I'm glad you said that because I was confused. If they choose her, than they have done it? Right?

I'm also not sure where these assumption that whoever is chosen now will not take them into the next election comes from. They've struggled with getting a leader to stick recently as we all know but that does not mean it will carry along in that vein. A lot will depend on how the person does and probably also how Starmer does.

TooBigForMyBoots · 12/10/2024 16:51

TV companies loved playing over and over again the shocked groans of MPs when the result was announced.

Viewers loved watching it.Grin

Rummly · 12/10/2024 16:39

DojaPhat · 12/10/2024 16:21

They won't. They've got another few years to get their house in order at which point neither candidate will emerge as their leader, ostensibly contending for no.10 with Starmer. All this aside, the public just won't do it and they know it. Again, another few years to refurbish the house - new interiors pending.

What does this mean?

If she beats Jenrick she’s the leader.

DojaPhat · 12/10/2024 16:21

Beowulfa · 11/10/2024 12:01

I'm personally amused by the possibility of it being the Conservatives electing the UK's first black female leader of a major party.

They won't. They've got another few years to get their house in order at which point neither candidate will emerge as their leader, ostensibly contending for no.10 with Starmer. All this aside, the public just won't do it and they know it. Again, another few years to refurbish the house - new interiors pending.

TempestTost · 12/10/2024 13:37

Beowulfa · 11/10/2024 12:01

I'm personally amused by the possibility of it being the Conservatives electing the UK's first black female leader of a major party.

Fourth female leader, second non-white leader....

One wonders when LP people will have to stop telling everyone the Tories are all racists and sexists.

BonfireLady · 12/10/2024 12:30

Tooting33 · 12/10/2024 12:00

She would be their 4th female leader as well. Labour only like white male leaders.

(Obviously I don't care about the colour or sex of MPs, the policies are the important thing)

A great observation.

Personally I thought Maggie Thatcher was pretty awful in general, Theresa May was OK (except for on the TWAW stuff) and Liz Truss was... odd (except for on the TWAW stuff). Still, it's good to see that the Tories can see beyond the narrow boundary of white male leaders, including of course their current male leader. Both parties have had their fair share of awful, OK, odd and good leaders. There's no such thing as perfect.

(Obviously I don't care about the colour or sex of MPs, the policies are the important thing)
Same.

Tooting33 · 12/10/2024 12:00

Beowulfa · 11/10/2024 12:01

I'm personally amused by the possibility of it being the Conservatives electing the UK's first black female leader of a major party.

She would be their 4th female leader as well. Labour only like white male leaders.

(Obviously I don't care about the colour or sex of MPs, the policies are the important thing)

UtopiaPlanitia · 11/10/2024 21:47

BonfireLady · 11/10/2024 19:06

😂😂😂

Prince (Regent), not King, of course.

I wonder if KB is lurking here? If so, this one's for you**... "imagine your audience naked" can repurposed to calm any nerves by reframing such an opponent as less intimidating:

** FYI Kemi, I'm still a liberal Guardian reader at heart, so there is no way our politics line up. However, I would very much like to see you as leader of the opposition as I think you'd be excellent at it.

Edited for grammar/punctuation

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That’s exactly what I was picturing 😂😂😍

DanielaDressen · 11/10/2024 20:01

And this:

Robert Jenrick has admitted that he and a junior minister approved payments to towns in each other’s constituencies from a government fund earmarked for deprived areas.
The communities secretary confirmed that communities minister Jake Berrygave the go-ahead for Jenrick’s Newark constituency to be selected for a £25m fund award even though it was 270th on the list of the UK’s most deprived areas.

Jenrick said he signed off the decision for money to be allocated to Darwen, a town in Berry’s Rossendale and Darwen constituency.

Robert Jenrick | The Guardian

Latest news, sport, business, comment, analysis and reviews from the Guardian, the world's leading liberal voice

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/robert-jenrick

DanielaDressen · 11/10/2024 19:59

Robert Jenrick…..didn’t he break down lockdown rules?

Claimed 100k in expenses for a “third home”. Some sort of planning permission scandal as well?

csnt the tories find someone who isn’t as sleazy?

EasternStandard · 11/10/2024 19:55

I think 1/3 of the party are showing the reaction but 2/3 MPs were not in that direction

IwantToRetire · 11/10/2024 19:43

I don’t get that. Surely the way not to get KB is to not vote for her at all

I dont either. But the Telegraph suggested:

On Tuesday, Mr Cleverly won 39 votes – far ahead of any other candidate – but lost two votes to others in the fourth ballot.

Members of his campaign team said some of his supporters had, on their own initiative and working on the premise that Mr Cleverly was safe, decided to back Mr Jenrick in order to put him in second place and exclude Mrs Badenoch.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/10/09/james-cleverly-out-of-tory-race-tactical-voting/

Cleverly out of Tory race ‘after tactical voting backfires’

Former home secretary slumps to last place in final ballot of MPs, with Robert Jenrick and Kemi Badenoch through to final two

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/10/09/james-cleverly-out-of-tory-race-tactical-voting

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EasternStandard · 11/10/2024 19:39

IwantToRetire · 11/10/2024 18:20

There's been quite a few articles about how this was an own goal by MPs, who didn't want KB amd thought ordinary members would vote her in.

They were so keen to not have KB that they did strategical voting, but didn't co-ordinate their strategies! https://news.sky.com/story/did-rogue-voting-and-botched-plot-by-mps-cost-cleverlys-shock-loss-in-tory-leadership-race-13231065

TV companies loved playing over and over again the shocked groans of MPs when the result was announed.

And now it seems the Tory membership is angry. Tory centrists warn they may bin leadership ballots (yahoo.com)

I don’t get that. Surely the way not to get KB is to not vote for her at all

BonfireLady · 11/10/2024 19:06

UtopiaPlanitia · 11/10/2024 14:51

@BonfireLady when Teresa May & Co were doing that ‘standing with legs apart’ thing at their Tory party conference a few years ago, I did think of Prince George and his manly posing in Blackadder 😂

😂😂😂

Prince (Regent), not King, of course.

I wonder if KB is lurking here? If so, this one's for you**... "imagine your audience naked" can repurposed to calm any nerves by reframing such an opponent as less intimidating:

** FYI Kemi, I'm still a liberal Guardian reader at heart, so there is no way our politics line up. However, I would very much like to see you as leader of the opposition as I think you'd be excellent at it.

Edited for grammar/punctuation

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IwantToRetire · 11/10/2024 18:20

There's been quite a few articles about how this was an own goal by MPs, who didn't want KB amd thought ordinary members would vote her in.

They were so keen to not have KB that they did strategical voting, but didn't co-ordinate their strategies! https://news.sky.com/story/did-rogue-voting-and-botched-plot-by-mps-cost-cleverlys-shock-loss-in-tory-leadership-race-13231065

TV companies loved playing over and over again the shocked groans of MPs when the result was announed.

And now it seems the Tory membership is angry. Tory centrists warn they may bin leadership ballots (yahoo.com)

Tory centrists warn they may bin leadership ballots

Moderate Conservatives are threatening to throw their ballots away after Kemi Badenoch and Robert Jenrick were selected as the final two candidates in the bid for Tory leadership.

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/tory-centrists-rather-throw-votes-192539384.html

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Rummly · 11/10/2024 15:59

forthelifeofme · 11/10/2024 15:43

Oh God, please not KB. I don't know the other guy at all, but she is really, really right wing - extreme small state person. She would be an absolute disaster if the Tories ever got into power.

Yeah, as part of that she’d be committed to bashing the needy too. She’d stoop so low as to take away the winter fuel allowance from numb-fingered OAPs I reckon.

forthelifeofme · 11/10/2024 15:43

Oh God, please not KB. I don't know the other guy at all, but she is really, really right wing - extreme small state person. She would be an absolute disaster if the Tories ever got into power.

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