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Curfew - new dystopian drama imagines male curfew

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ArabellaScott · 09/10/2024 10:22

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cnvdgl37qz3o

'Set in a dystopian future, the show imagines a society where all men live under The Women’s Safety Act and are subjected to a government-imposed curfew from 19:00 to 07:00, with their movements tracked 24/7 by ankle tags.
The goal? To drastically reduce violence against women.'

Looks possibly interesting.

'Curfew also questions whether women are capable of violent acts, challenging traditional gender norms'

Hmm.

Alexandra Burke and Mandip Gill are stood in the background in front of the Women's Safety Centre, Sarah Parish is stood in the front.

Curfew series - is there a radical fix for violence against women?

Set in a dystopian future, the show imagines a society where men are subjected to a curfew.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cnvdgl37qz3o

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No33 · 09/10/2024 15:16

Think I'll have to get a month's sub.

I'm really interested in how they will approach the pitfalls which have been discussed here.

ArabellaScott · 09/10/2024 13:19

Lots of different factors affecting day/night risk, I expect.

Visibility, alcohol, numbers of potential witnesses.

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EmpressaurusDeiGatti · 09/10/2024 13:19

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/10/2024 12:52

If they did pander to gender identity, presumably people who switched between male & female would decide at the time whether they were on curfew that night or not. Which is obviously ridiculous.

All men could if they had self ID, I guess.

Or all men could just ID as women, & that would just leave the curfew for any trans-identifying females who found it to be gender-affirming.

napody · 09/10/2024 13:18

napody · 09/10/2024 11:22

This has made me wonder... Do we actually have stats on the time of day of MVAWAG? I'm sure there are some hotspots like night buses, but in general, is it a dramatic difference? All my experiences with flashing, harassment etc have been during the day. Lucky enough not to have experienced anything more serious.

And to reply to myself with a less answerable question .. how much more night time MVAWAG would there be if women weren't essentially curfewing ourselves (or at least severely limiting our movements relative to what we'd do on a MVAWAG-free world).

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 09/10/2024 12:54

Hey @ArabellaScott no worries - was more a "thinking out loud" comment Smile

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/10/2024 12:52

If they did pander to gender identity, presumably people who switched between male & female would decide at the time whether they were on curfew that night or not. Which is obviously ridiculous.

All men could if they had self ID, I guess.

CompleteGinasaur · 09/10/2024 12:22

I wonder whether or not this play was inspired by an actual curfew notice which was widely posted around Nottingham town centre as a feminist protest against MVAWG sometime in the late 70s/early 80s? It was just before I moved there in 1983 but I remember that it was formulated as a very official looking notification from Nottingham Police that, due to an unacceptable rise in the increase of attacks against women in the City Centre area, men were instructed to be off the streets from say, 7:00pm until 7:00am the next morning (I can't remember the precise times or phrasing; perhaps if we're lucky someone who was involved in the original action could provide more authentic details than my blurry recollections!). There was a little map delineating the area of the curfew, and I remember being told by women who had been involved in the action that there was a considerable response to the notice, both from men who took it at face value and observed the "curfew", and a not inconsiderable amount of outraged letters to the local paper, the Nottingham Evening Post, from angry men furious about Police overreach and offences against their civil liberties... (I might not have remembered it but for seeing a rare surviving copy of the notice in an exhibition of local feminist history staged at the Weston Gallery of the Lakeside Arts Centre, University of Nottingham over the summer!)

ArabellaScott · 09/10/2024 12:19

MarieDeGournay · 09/10/2024 11:53

I thought this theme sounded familiar, and good ol' Google proved I was right:
there was a play on the theme of a curfew for men in the 1980s by a lesbian group called Siren
Siren Theatre Company 'Curfew' programme | Queer Heritage South
I don't know if any of the company are still around to claim their intellectual property rights..Smile

https://www.sirenbrighton.co.uk/about/

About – Siren

https://www.sirenbrighton.co.uk/about

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MarieDeGournay · 09/10/2024 11:53

I thought this theme sounded familiar, and good ol' Google proved I was right:
there was a play on the theme of a curfew for men in the 1980s by a lesbian group called Siren
Siren Theatre Company 'Curfew' programme | Queer Heritage South
I don't know if any of the company are still around to claim their intellectual property rights..Smile

Curfew - new dystopian drama imagines male curfew
mojinga · 09/10/2024 11:53

There was a thread about a male curfew, it went down well (it didn’t).

teawamutu · 09/10/2024 11:51

Hoardasurass · 09/10/2024 10:55

I wonder if they are including transwomen in their definition of women and if they are let off curfew as they have women feelings

I expect they will be. Or there will be a sad scene where it's made very clear that this is unfair.

NPET · 09/10/2024 11:42

Oh such a curfew SOUNDS wonderful -
but of course it couldn't work with men claiming they "identify as female"!!

Hunnymonster1 · 09/10/2024 11:42

I have it atm only gor a month as they offered me it for that price I think usually 6 a month i don't find alot on there but enough to say watch a bit then cancel after a month

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Hunnymonster1 · 09/10/2024 11:40

ArabellaScott · 09/10/2024 11:36

Yeah, sorry, I don't even really know what that is or how to see it!

If you have prime amazon yu can pay atm 3.50 a month and there are few films on there to watch. I watched a few reality on there naked dating with rylan presenting lol think love island but all stark naked you saw everything lol

ArabellaScott · 09/10/2024 11:36

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 09/10/2024 11:11

Bugger it's on Paramount

Yeah, sorry, I don't even really know what that is or how to see it!

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Sesma · 09/10/2024 11:25

Thanks, I will watch this, looks like the whole series comes tomorrow, though check to make sure before subscribing so anyone wanting to watch it there may be a free trial of a week.

SilenceInside · 09/10/2024 11:25

I'd have thought that the ankle tagging would be more effective than a curfew, because you could place men at the scene of any violence and be able to prove they were present, rather than have no idea who was responsible. The curfew just seems like the headline grabbing part.

napody · 09/10/2024 11:22

This has made me wonder... Do we actually have stats on the time of day of MVAWAG? I'm sure there are some hotspots like night buses, but in general, is it a dramatic difference? All my experiences with flashing, harassment etc have been during the day. Lucky enough not to have experienced anything more serious.

EmpressaurusDeiGatti · 09/10/2024 11:14

If they did pander to gender identity, presumably people who switched between male & female would decide at the time whether they were on curfew that night or not. Which is obviously ridiculous.

crackofdoom · 09/10/2024 11:14

How is that a dystopia? 😆

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 09/10/2024 11:11

Bugger it's on Paramount

FrostFlowers2025 · 09/10/2024 11:09

What part of this is "dystopian"?

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 09/10/2024 11:09

'Curfew also questions whether women are capable of violent acts, challenging traditional gender norms'

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Well of course they are as a gazillion MN posters will declare with glee on any thread discussing Male Violence.

But it will never be as frequent, deadly and with the malice that occurs the other way round. And I can't imagine a time where men as a class will ever feel this fear the way many women do.

But thanks for heads up OP

Noodlesnotstrudels · 09/10/2024 11:06

Serriadh · 09/10/2024 11:00

I wonder if it will go into the practicalities - there’d need to be a huge increase in (female?) police officers to attend “domestics” if all the men are stuck at home drinking. Would workplaces adapt and allow men to leave earlier so they can commute home by 7pm? Would the “night-time economy” collapse without male bartenders and bouncers, and would numbers of women going to bars, clubs, cinema etc increase enough for them to remain viable?

What happens to dating, etc? Huge change in workplace culture if work and/or lunchtime is the only time men and women can meet and socialise together. Or would men be allowed out during curfew as long as they have a woman with them? Is a woman walking a man home so he’s not out alone after curfew any safer than a woman being walked home by a man?

It’s one of those nice “what if” thought experiments but the practicalities make it unworkable.

The BBC article says it is an adaptation of a book so I might try and read the book first before watching. Often with these sorts of things, the book can provide more of the "world building" of the type you mention than the series can.