So what exactly is gender?

I never said they could.

Yeah sorry I personally edited my post above because the entire train of thought is so ridiculous

No. You're not.

So, like the brain, there are sex based differences, but you could have a male kidney transplant, and it would be identifiable as a male organ working in a female body.

So how can someone have a female brain in a male body without an organ transplant?

Ok. Young kids play. Obviously it's a massively socially influenced area, inescapably so. But, there is evidence that girls who have been exposed to higher levels of androgens in the womb prefer toys typically categorised as boy's toys.

There could be other explanations for this preference of course, and this suggest an interesting one.

https://theconversation.com/how-we-inherit-masculine-and-feminine-behaviours-a-new-idea-about-environment-and-genes-82524

Doesn't feel like a burn, because it makes perfect sense. What we're talking about, however, is not sense but feeelz.

So, like the brain, there are sex based differences, but you could have a male kidney transplant, and it would be identifiable as a male organ working in a female body.

Stop talking sense, OK! This is not about transplants, but about the organs a person was born with. I understand Circumferences to be referring to the 'born in the wrong body' narrative. Males identify themselves as having a woman's brain in a man's body, and that therefore they feeeeel they are a woman, and we're supposed to take this seriously and lesbians are supposed to have sex with ladydick etc etc etc. How come nobody claims that they were born with their kidneys in the wrong body, that they have women's kidneys in their male body? Why doesn't that make them a woman with ladydick?

Can you give some examples of what you mean by gendered behaviour?

No, I wasn't, I was talking about brain development and the possible biological basis for what we assume is gendered behaviour.

Anyway, @AuntyBumBum, that's the funniest name on this site lol

Sorry JellySaurus- but daamnn that's a good burn

You mean like carrying a child? Or wearing jeans?

You were talking about women's brains not about gendered behaviour.

That's just the brain, though? What about other organs? Men's hearts are bigger than women's. Would a woman's heart be suitable for transplant into a man?

Yeah, I know, the jokes write themselves! 😛

I suspect we may be in violent agreement here and it's the use of the phrase 'gendered behaviour' that is muddying the water.

brains are brains and you can't tell the difference between one from a man and one from a woman just by looking at the brain.

if you want to determine if it's a brain owned by a man or a woman ('a man's brain' or 'a woman's brain'), you will need to determine the sex of the body it came out of. that still won't tell you much about how that person behaved, dressed, or their likes or dislikes

but you could probably make some reasonably accurate predictions about how that person felt about sexual encounters and the precautions they may have taken. you may be able to predict their behaviour if going places alone late at night or meeting up with strangers.

but these are sex based behaviour differences. they are as a result of our sexual dimorphism

No, it really isn't. There's very little evidence on what the kidney has to do with behaviour. kidneys, for example, develop differently in males & females, there are differences between the sexes in the genes that code for enzymes that regulate blood pressure. The differences are most apparent in the proximal tubule region of the nephron.

So, like the brain, there are sex based differences, but you could have a male kidney transplant, and it would be identifiable as a male organ working in a female body.

Unfortunately for you, we can't do that for brains yet.

so gendered behaviour, stuff like liking dolls over cars is driven by societal expectations. I believe that

but do people who can end up pregnant with a dependent child as a result of a sexual encounter behave differently in general to people who never will? yeah, I believe that.

but if there’s a biological basis, then it’s sex based behaviour not gendered behaviour, no?

I don’t disagree by the way

Which is what I always assumed, but I'm not convinced it's 100% the case. Although as @XChrome said, it's never simple because of the bidirectional nature of everything from hormones to our gut microbiome, but all impacting on our brains & our behaviour.

A very good point.

Gender is a bunch of outdated sex-based personality and appearance stereotypes.

"You might find the idea uncomfortable, I do too, but there really is a body of work that suggests there is a biological basis for gendered behaviour"

I think I was pretty clear. Nothing about gender identity, body swapping.

Which wasn't my point. Which was that some behaviours which we think are gendered (socially and culturally formed) may actually be based on biological differences.

Fine, but if you started to claim rights only Americans have, like say, claiming that you didn't need a visa to visit the US cos you identify as American...

Thanks, RapidOnsetGenderCritic
Fair points.
I think we can see or imagine the pressures on young men and boys especially, but I agree that's not the same as experiencing that pressure.

As to your last paragraph, that with bells on - if I may say so, this is what many men themselves don't get IMO - that total licence, apparently without consequences, hurts them as well. It may be wishful thinking on my part, but I think a man who has self-control genuinely has a better quality of life than one who does not.