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The link between autism and eating disorders

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WarriorN · 08/10/2024 09:41

Links to autism and eating disorders

Discussing sensory issues.

'We need to treat eating disorders in autistic people'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/live:bbcradioo_fourfm?partner=uk.co.bbc&origin=share-mobile

I'm posting here as there are similarly high rates amongst those with gender dysphoria but the treatment and discussion is so very different, obviously.

And yet GD is known to be "the new version of an eating disorder"

It's also been observed in clinics for treating patients with ED that they often take on trans identities, which I know Professor Michele Moore said was a result of social contagion.

Hadley Freeman makes many analogies in her writing / book too.

The link between autism and eating disorders
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CitrineRaindropPhoenix · 08/10/2024 13:33

Thank you so much for this. My oldest child is female but identifies as non-binary and has a diagnosis of autism and ADHD. She also is an incredibly picky eater but has slightly too wide a range of foods and too healthy a weight to be eligible for any help ( 28 safe foods, 10 if absolutely necessary) and a BMI of 16. I just try to keep her eating but will definitely be listening as any help is welcome.

WarriorN · 08/10/2024 13:27

Yes, I'm not sure it's going to give many answers to anyone who's battling the system currently.

It's basic autism awareness and structured approaches within clinical care which have been well known about for decades.

I suppose what may be an additional issue is that many of these girls don't arrive with the diagnosis.

However, these approaches benefit anyone with extreme anxiety. It's not rocket science.

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Catgotyourbrain · 08/10/2024 13:23

I listened to this and thought their new protocol sounded like a no brainer - especially when she said that the NT patients also appreciated the same interventions- like opportunities for quiet and knowing the best way to communicate. Made me wonder how it was before TBH

OuterSpaceCadet · 08/10/2024 13:23

I'm really sorry for anyone in the thick of any of this, especially with kids. It's really, really hard. And getting the right support is really, really hard.

LizzieBowesLyon · 08/10/2024 13:15

I’m trying to find words but just feeling fear.

OuterSpaceCadet · 08/10/2024 13:12

Thanksrethinkinglife for that interesting post.

I've just read the Guardian article. It's stuff I already knew but that I have a really hard time knowing how to gently persuade friends and family of. The author describes the process of having to re-evaluate her identity in the light of evidence so well. And she was more invested than many in the medical model of illness, having had her memoir adapted to screen.

My education in this has come partly from reading Cracked by James Davies. Highly recommend to anyone interested in just how unscientific mental health diagnoses (and I have one myself) are.

I can't help thinking trans ideology is very much a symptom of a world that is more comfortable with a medical model of mental health than with analysing the social and environmental factors of modern life.

AutismTimesTwo · 08/10/2024 12:56

WarriorN · 08/10/2024 09:58

I'm sorry AutismTimesTwo, that sounds extremely tough.

Thanks @WarriorN
It is an absolute fucking nightmare

Igmum · 08/10/2024 12:43

Thanks @WarriorN will definitely listen. DD18 was only diagnosed two weeks ago (I'd been asking for over a decade), binge eats like crazy and is non-binary. I wish I could magic her problems away and help her to a balanced lifestyle including exercise and decent meals.

EugenieGrandet · 08/10/2024 12:29

I don't know the science at all, but we've hit the genetic jackpot (the opposite obvs) because our children have them all... ASD, ADHD, OCD, depression, eating disorders and, the one I'm most scared of, transgenderism.

We have 2 daughters (one is now my "son") who were only diagnosed in their late teens as autistic. I so wish they had been diagnosed earlier in their lives, that might have helped them to understand themselves sooner, especially the trans child. Instead of which we spent many many unhappy years with bad mental health (and poor CAMHS treatment) which I believe has led them to becoming trans.

The eating disorder was so much about control, hatred of her own body, it was the precursor to "becoming" a boy.

Also not discussed or researched much it seems, how ASD people some times seem drug-resistant. My "son" has tried 5 different kinds of anti depressants, 2 kinds of ADHD drugs and he says none of them have a positive effect on him (they don't reduce the depression symptoms or help him to focus). Has anyone else experienced this?

WarriorN · 08/10/2024 12:05

Excellent links above - Thank you both

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RethinkingLife · 08/10/2024 11:41

Puts me in mind of a some thought-provoking pieces about anorexia, eating disorders, and other psychological conditions.

“OCD is not a biological reality,” Gillan said, very matter of factly. “That’s what the data increasingly shows.”

A lump rose in my throat. I fumbled for a response. Hadn’t researchers proved that OCD brains are different biologically? (Some neuroimaging studies show increased activity in various cortices.) “Abnormalities in these regions are by no means exclusive to OCD,” Gillan said. “A great many disorders show the same kinds of brain changes.”

I didn’t know this. I thought my brain shared the same abnormalities as everyone else with OCD and that these were the root causes of our obsessions; that we had brains that were measurably different from the brains of people with, say, ADHD or anorexia. I thought this was the definition of “official” diagnosis. Gillan explained that, on the contrary, psychiatric diagnoses are not based on biomarkers, they are subjective constructs."

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/apr/13/i-was-the-poster-girl-for-ocd-then-i-began-to-question-everything-id-been-told-about-mental-illness

Hilary Mantel:

But we can’t quite consign Gemma to history, to the dustbin of outmoded signs and symptoms or the waste-tip of an age of faith. When we think of young adults in the West, driven by secular demons of unknown provenance to starve and purge themselves, and to pierce and slash their flesh, we wonder uneasily if she is our sister under the skin."

We denigrate the female saints as masochists; noting that anorexic girls have contempt for their own flesh, we hospitalise them and force-feed them, taking away their liberties as if they were criminals or infants, treating them as if they have lost the right to self-determination. But we don’t extend the same contempt to pub brawlers or career soldiers. Men own their bodies, but women’s bodies are owned by the wider society; this observation is far from original, but perhaps bears restatement
When the fashionable and enviable shape was stick-thin, a sly duplicity was at work. One girl, considered photogenic, could earn a living from thinness; another girl, with the same famine proportions but less poster-appeal, would be a suitable case for treatment. The deciding factor seemed to be economic: could she earn a living by anorexia? If so, make her a cover girl; if not, hospitalise her. The case is now altered. The ideal body is attainable only by plastic surgery. The ideal woman has the earning powers of a CEO, breasts like an inflatable doll, no hips at all and the tidy, hairless labia of an unviolated six-year-old. The world gets harder and harder. There’s no pleasing it. No wonder some girls want out.

https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v26/n05/hilary-mantel/some-girls-want-out

I haven't kept up on whether or not there's more evidence behind this exploration of neuroscience and anorexia.

It seems that once people get sick, decision-making shifts to a different part of the brain that makes it more difficult to make a nuanced choice. Instead, you see the food and you automatically make a specific choice,” Steinglass said.

These findings confirmed Steinglass’s clinical hunch: Anorexia may be more about decision-making than some form of extreme willpower.

http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2015/10/neuroscience-of-anorexia.html

Hilary Mantel · Some girls want out: spectacular saintliness

https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v26/n05/hilary-mantel/some-girls-want-out

CautiousLurker · 08/10/2024 11:34

We saw Dr Anastassis Spiliadis for a while (ex Tavi, called as a witness in the Keira Bell case) and his Phd/post doctoral research at the time was on the link between eating disorders and gender dysphoria. He actively asked if there was a history of EDs in my family… my mother died from hers after 25 years with it at 56; both I and my half sisters cycled through the anorexia/bulimia/finicky eating etc, and my DD (AUDHD, ROGD) definitely has ARFIDS as part of her autism.

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Anastassis-Spiliadis

It’s worth checking out some of his recent publications and the references as I do feel ED’s have a huge pubertal/body dysmorphia component (as well as being socially contagious amongst adolescent girls). Been meaning to look up his actual writing, so have earmarked the above link to so that soon!

WarriorN · 08/10/2024 09:58

I'm sorry AutismTimesTwo, that sounds extremely tough.

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AutismTimesTwo · 08/10/2024 09:43

Thanks for this. As a parent of autistic kids caught up in gender ideology and another recovering from anorexia, this makes total sense to me