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How do you support other siblings when a teen decides they are trans

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Autumnleavesareslippery · 07/10/2024 09:13

I've name changed for this, have been a member for 19 years since pregnant with DS. I'm going to try and be factual as I'm in shock and dealing with a whole host of mine and my children's emotions. Yes I'm using 'he' here as none of us have got our heads around this. I'm trying to be very honest in how I feel and really need some support from people who have more of an idea about how to handle this than me.

DS (19) came home from uni on Friday. On Friday night at about 11 pm in the family chat he declared he was transgender. He informed us what he was called. It was an unusual name choice for a 19 year old - that of someone perhaps born 150 years ago. Think Enid. He told us he'd known for years.

All of us were in shock. I have DD (17) and DD and DS (both 14). I sent a message privately to him thanking for letting us know as I wasn't quite sure what else to say. He didn't read it and remained in his room. Didn't even bother with the usual teen response of a thumbs up.

Saturday and Sunday he acted completely normally, like nothing major had happened and he had told us he was vegetarian now or something. He seemed calm and relaxed. He looked exactly the same - a 6ft 2 broad shouldered man.

He then came downstairs to get a lift to the train station dressed as what I can only describe as a stereotype of what someone might think a woman looked like. Badly done make up. An odd dress that didn't fit. And started talking in a completely different soft 'feminine' voice and doing strange things with his hands that he must have deemed 'female'. He had lace like gloves on. It looked so outdated and strange.

The best way to describe it was he looked like Dame Edna or the character out of little Britain from 20 years ago in that the clothing was odd and it seemed almost designed to get a reaction. But he appeared to be deadly serious and nonchalant about it. A woman would have been clearly mocked if she dressed like it. It just leaves me wondering whether this is what he views women as?! Not that he knows any women who would act like this - he's surrounded by many women who express themselves in multiple ways but not in an Edwardian lady about to collapse way.

I drove him to the station trying to make small talk about the weather and his course and came back to everyone sat staring in disbelief. He's never said anything, acted in any way 'feminine' (whatever that means). He's at a RG uni, studying a science subject with 3 As at A level, and has organised himself a part time job. I only say this because life seems to be going well for him, rather than a potential response to something.

He is however autistic.

DD 17 is furious and says he's making a mockery of women and that woman is not a costume. She says he better not be going in female only spaces.

DD 15 looks stunned and keeps asking why he thinks he can just become a woman and what he thinks that means. She can't identify out of periods etc etc. DS 15 is laughing in disbelief. DH just looks completely confused and keeps muttering about getting loads of tattoos when he wanted to shock his parents thirty five years ago.

I genuinely don't know what to do next. Please bear in mind I'm in shock, had only just 'got over' my first born leaving for uni and all the emotions that brings.

I want to support DS19 with whatever gender expression he wants. When he still looked like him (and didn't appear to be 'dressed as' a mockery of women) I was shocked but we just thought ok, this is him experimenting with finding himself or whatever. But now I'm really worried about him and his future and whether others will look at him and think wtf. I'm also angry at the very (sorry to stereotype) 'teen boy' way he told us - late at night, no response, informing us what he was called rather than perhaps asking 'could you call me'. No consideration of the impact but I guess that might just be being 19.

I agree with what both of my daughters are saying. How do I say this because it then directly criticises DS? Do I accept he is an adult, has made his choices and my care and focus should be on them? I can't gaslight them and tell them they're wrong.

I'm now worried he's going to go into female spaces, as a clearly visible six foot plus male. This would make me angry.

He is at a university where I know lots of his lecturers (I am an academic in the same field). I know many are gender critical. Do I mention it to them first or let it be the elephant in the room?

I don't know what to say to my 85 year old mother. I think she will be very shocked and worried. I'm trying to work out if we have to tell her (she doesn't live nearby).

I don't know how much to talk to him or challenge this. I feel a kind of grief. I'm worried he's going to take hormones or do something irreversible.

We all dislike the name / think it's a very odd choice - which makes me feel very alienated from him.

And at the end of the day he's my 'baby' - I want him to be happy. I don't want people to criticise him. I want to support him but how do you do that when you question so much what he is doing? It wasn't the fact he declared himself to have a different gender but rather what followed - the declaration of name, strange clothing and fear of him going in women's spaces.

I also do absolutely realise he is an adult and can make his own choices and face the consequences. He has his own life (albeit he's being financially supported by us).

I guess it was just so sudden.

Any advice on what to do next would be gladly received.

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MumOfYoungTransAdult · 09/10/2024 17:21

PrettyPickle · 09/10/2024 17:08

You see you are all making assumptions about me and assuming I have no personal experience or knowledge and I do. Doctors was just a timely watch that highlighted the harm intolerance can do - its a generalisation not life specific.

My parents divorced when I was young, are you saying they should have lived in misery together, giving me a totally wrong impression of what marriage was, to protect us. Are you saying that an adult person who decides not to have kids and the potential Grandparents are devastated, should have them, just to please the grandparents. The answer is of course not, but these decisions doesn't just affect them, it affects those around them and its only by accepting and talking things through with all stakeholders that we hopefully get through it . That is what I am saying about her son, he has a right to make his own choices and the family has to work with it. I have never said it wouldn't affect them. They need to talk to him, understand him, support him and address everyone's concerns - its a two way street. What you can't tell him, as an adult is that he can't do it! Well you can try but it won't be a good outcome.

They can't tell him what he can't do, and he can't tell them what not to feel about what he does. He can't expect them to suddenly pretend he's changed sex. and if they are angry, hurt, upset, afraid for him, he can't expect them to feel it's all fine. He needs to listen to their concerns as well. Well, he could insist everyone sees things his way and run off if they don't, but that wont end well for him. He is actually the one with most to lose if he tries. Parents and siblings are valuable. Even - especially! - if you have autism and you honestly believe that a trans identity is right for you.

Even if it's all ticketyboo on Doctors (bless me - is that still running!) - real life isn't like that. Tolerance is needed from him as well. For his own sake.

murasaki · 09/10/2024 17:14

Two people not being happy together is as far removed from a boy thinking he can be an Edwardian woman as Mr Spoon can get to Button Moon.

PrettyPickle · 09/10/2024 17:08

You see you are all making assumptions about me and assuming I have no personal experience or knowledge and I do. Doctors was just a timely watch that highlighted the harm intolerance can do - its a generalisation not life specific.

My parents divorced when I was young, are you saying they should have lived in misery together, giving me a totally wrong impression of what marriage was, to protect us. Are you saying that an adult person who decides not to have kids and the potential Grandparents are devastated, should have them, just to please the grandparents. The answer is of course not, but these decisions doesn't just affect them, it affects those around them and its only by accepting and talking things through with all stakeholders that we hopefully get through it . That is what I am saying about her son, he has a right to make his own choices and the family has to work with it. I have never said it wouldn't affect them. They need to talk to him, understand him, support him and address everyone's concerns - its a two way street. What you can't tell him, as an adult is that he can't do it! Well you can try but it won't be a good outcome.

RedToothBrush · 09/10/2024 16:57

Beowulfa · 09/10/2024 16:49

90s soap Sunset Beach featured a convoluted plotline involving an evil identical twin. Perhaps there was a hospital mix-up at birth, and it was the long-lost twin of the OP's son who turned up acting strangely in a dress?

EastEnders spin off Redwater had Zoë's evil twin brother turn up - Luke Slater aka Dermott Dolan. Kat didn't know she'd had twins because she had been so out of it having Zoe when she was 13 (having been raped by her uncle Harry) that she passed out after Zoe was born only for Luke to pop out a few minutes later by surprise whilst Kat was unconscious. This allowed her mum Viv and Mo Harris to whisk the son off for adoption only to turn up later, whilst Zoë was raised as Kat's sister.

Cos y'know right...

Soaps are the Gospel of Transgender Reality.

Should we be quoting citations from Doctors by episode number and mins into the programme?

popeydokey · 09/10/2024 16:53

By medically changing their body, aren't they very publicly announcing that they believe that there is a physically female element to being a woman? Won't the self-id advocates think this is transphobic (as they do when women say it or even hint at it)?

GatherlyGal · 09/10/2024 16:50

RedToothBrush · 09/10/2024 14:11

Threads like this are hard (won't go into why, but I'm not in a good place generally atm) but they are also useful and instructive.

Daylight and all that.

I am learning as much as I feel I can share my own insight on.

Lets be honest here. How much benefit am I going to get from a therapist who potentially is either compromised, fearful and defensive, ignorant or otherwise inexperienced on this subject?

I'm just not.

And actually I think thats useful to me to know.

What's hard here is keeping our own boundaries (or those of our kids) when everyone around you is trying to dismantle them / tell you to behave differently.

What you say about therapy is so true - there's just as much value in remembering that if you feel something is right / not right then stick with it and have courage in your own conviction.

Also some people need to develop their critical thinking skills - the "be kind" nonsense has addled brains (assisted by some tv indoctrination via BBC and Netflix).

Beowulfa · 09/10/2024 16:49

90s soap Sunset Beach featured a convoluted plotline involving an evil identical twin. Perhaps there was a hospital mix-up at birth, and it was the long-lost twin of the OP's son who turned up acting strangely in a dress?

CautiousLurker · 09/10/2024 16:47

@Kalalily

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Kalalily · 09/10/2024 16:45

I too am the mum of a 19 yr old trans identifying young adult, recently diagnosed with Autism. Thank you so much OP for this thread, I hope it can become a support thread.

It is the irreversible consequences of medical transitioning that makes this situation so terrifying. It’s all very well to say, as pretty pickle has done, that everyone should follow their own path – male living as female et cetera. But what about the kids who are neurodivergent, bullied, traumatised, who have not had a chance to form their own sense of identity because they have been caught in fight or flight since early adolescence. How is it fair, right or appropriate to allow these kids to medically transition? Possibly for all of the wrong reasons - and where are the medical professionals who should be able to step in and gently explore?
Medical care for adolescent onset GD is on a par with the post office scandal and the blood transfusion scandal. I have never felt more alone than when I started to seek help for my child when they first started to struggle.

To be honest, I was so horrified at the consequences for my child should they start medical transition, without proper exploration, that I haven’t fully considered the impact on my other children, both of whom feel as I do and worry that this new identity is a result of online influences and inflexible thinking.
This post is the first shred of hope that I have come across. Thank you, OP

RedToothBrush · 09/10/2024 15:57

ColinTheGenderMinotaur · 09/10/2024 15:53

‘Well, I’ve followed Mr Spoon to Button Moon’

😂😍

ColinTheGenderMinotaur · 09/10/2024 15:53

‘Well, I’ve followed Mr Spoon to Button Moon’

DoreenonTill8 · 09/10/2024 15:51

RedToothBrush · 09/10/2024 15:47

It's the fact they don't understand why talking about Doctors as a reference point to their knowledge which should be taken seriously is really not appropriate when talking to people who have direct lived experience of this in their own families.

Its like saying to a NASA rocket scientist, "yeah y'know that's all great but I watched a Professor Brian Cox documentary and I think you are wrong about physics".

Do you think pickle realises what they've said AT ALL?!

More like 'I watched an episode of GoJetters and they made it to the moon with a rocket ship made of the tins and powered by baked beans....why can't you NASA?!

Kucinghitam · 09/10/2024 15:50

RedToothBrush · 09/10/2024 15:47

It's the fact they don't understand why talking about Doctors as a reference point to their knowledge which should be taken seriously is really not appropriate when talking to people who have direct lived experience of this in their own families.

Its like saying to a NASA rocket scientist, "yeah y'know that's all great but I watched a Professor Brian Cox documentary and I think you are wrong about physics".

Do you think pickle realises what they've said AT ALL?!

It's exactly like that, isn't it? But with a big extra Righteous dollop of Be Kind superiority.

RedToothBrush · 09/10/2024 15:47

Kucinghitam · 09/10/2024 15:42

You couldn't make it up could you! My gob is genuinely smacked Grin

It's the fact they don't understand why talking about Doctors as a reference point to their knowledge which should be taken seriously is really not appropriate when talking to people who have direct lived experience of this in their own families.

Its like saying to a NASA rocket scientist, "yeah y'know that's all great but I watched a Professor Brian Cox documentary and I think you are wrong about physics".

Do you think pickle realises what they've said AT ALL?!

DoreenonTill8 · 09/10/2024 15:44

CautiousLurker · 09/10/2024 14:52

And straight out of the BBC woke studios. Hardly cutting edge or representative of prevailing public opinion. Which might be why it’s been axed and this is the last season….

But it's not 'follow your own path'?
It's make a path and drag/force people along it with blackmail/threats and violence?

Kucinghitam · 09/10/2024 15:42

RedToothBrush · 09/10/2024 14:50

So a TV programme which almost certainly has taken advice from an organisation with a particular agenda to push on a certain subject, is your go to reasonable reference point. You think, after everything that's happened in the last couple of years with EDI training and Stonewall law that's is totally, utterly unbiased and reliable source of knowledge which is completely trustworthy and reflective of all positions and doesn't have any blind spots at all

Embrace your tone deafness because it's legitimised by a fucking BBC Daytime Soap!

😂🙈🙉🙊

Dear lord. God love you naïvety and lack of critical thinking skills.

Hey ladies of the thread we are all wrong, 'cos this is on Doctors.'

Could we possibly be anymore patronised?! Trying hard to think how.

You couldn't make it up could you! My gob is genuinely smacked Grin

RedToothBrush · 09/10/2024 15:34

murasaki · 09/10/2024 15:14

It's like using Eastenders as a marriage counselling guide.

Yeah, I'm modelling my parenting skills on Jack and Denise because of their experiences with Penny, Ricky and Amy...

... Or perhaps I should learn about family harmony from Ian, David, Cindy, George and Junior and their amazing game of musical beds and how to parent their son / daughter / brother in law's son / step son especially when one or another ends up dating another of their immediate family... When two of them are responsible for the murder / attempted murder of another close family member.

(Sorry for multiple edits - but EastEnders and Cindy's family is somewhat 'complex' since her premature death).

murasaki · 09/10/2024 15:14

It's like using Eastenders as a marriage counselling guide.

RedToothBrush · 09/10/2024 15:06

PrimalLass · 09/10/2024 14:59

It's definitely written by people who push the same agenda on social media etc.

https://x.com/NemesisUnicorn/status/1844012012667539464

Edited

So basically at this point, Doctors is going against and ignoring the Cass Review and we are all supposed to be lapping up 'well it's on Doctors' as a sane argument.

I really hope the BBC aren't being this backwards and pushing this without a reasonable counter.

PrimalLass · 09/10/2024 15:04

Here's an explanation.

ETA: Sorry that's massive.

How do you support other siblings when a teen decides they are trans
murasaki · 09/10/2024 15:02

'Doctors' as a manual on how to react? I've heard it all now.

I'm sorry that all of your lived experience is being trampled over or silenced. It's disgraceful.

SophiaCohle · 09/10/2024 15:02

Good lord

PrimalLass · 09/10/2024 14:59

It's definitely written by people who push the same agenda on social media etc.

https://x.com/NemesisUnicorn/status/1844012012667539464

ChishiyaBat · 09/10/2024 14:54

Honestly @PrettyPickle choosing your own path? You get to choose what to eat, what to wear, what to study, but you don't get to choose your biology!

RedToothBrush · 09/10/2024 14:54

Pickle your doctors comment is probably just about as offensive as it gets tbh. On multiple levels.