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How do you support other siblings when a teen decides they are trans

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Autumnleavesareslippery · 07/10/2024 09:13

I've name changed for this, have been a member for 19 years since pregnant with DS. I'm going to try and be factual as I'm in shock and dealing with a whole host of mine and my children's emotions. Yes I'm using 'he' here as none of us have got our heads around this. I'm trying to be very honest in how I feel and really need some support from people who have more of an idea about how to handle this than me.

DS (19) came home from uni on Friday. On Friday night at about 11 pm in the family chat he declared he was transgender. He informed us what he was called. It was an unusual name choice for a 19 year old - that of someone perhaps born 150 years ago. Think Enid. He told us he'd known for years.

All of us were in shock. I have DD (17) and DD and DS (both 14). I sent a message privately to him thanking for letting us know as I wasn't quite sure what else to say. He didn't read it and remained in his room. Didn't even bother with the usual teen response of a thumbs up.

Saturday and Sunday he acted completely normally, like nothing major had happened and he had told us he was vegetarian now or something. He seemed calm and relaxed. He looked exactly the same - a 6ft 2 broad shouldered man.

He then came downstairs to get a lift to the train station dressed as what I can only describe as a stereotype of what someone might think a woman looked like. Badly done make up. An odd dress that didn't fit. And started talking in a completely different soft 'feminine' voice and doing strange things with his hands that he must have deemed 'female'. He had lace like gloves on. It looked so outdated and strange.

The best way to describe it was he looked like Dame Edna or the character out of little Britain from 20 years ago in that the clothing was odd and it seemed almost designed to get a reaction. But he appeared to be deadly serious and nonchalant about it. A woman would have been clearly mocked if she dressed like it. It just leaves me wondering whether this is what he views women as?! Not that he knows any women who would act like this - he's surrounded by many women who express themselves in multiple ways but not in an Edwardian lady about to collapse way.

I drove him to the station trying to make small talk about the weather and his course and came back to everyone sat staring in disbelief. He's never said anything, acted in any way 'feminine' (whatever that means). He's at a RG uni, studying a science subject with 3 As at A level, and has organised himself a part time job. I only say this because life seems to be going well for him, rather than a potential response to something.

He is however autistic.

DD 17 is furious and says he's making a mockery of women and that woman is not a costume. She says he better not be going in female only spaces.

DD 15 looks stunned and keeps asking why he thinks he can just become a woman and what he thinks that means. She can't identify out of periods etc etc. DS 15 is laughing in disbelief. DH just looks completely confused and keeps muttering about getting loads of tattoos when he wanted to shock his parents thirty five years ago.

I genuinely don't know what to do next. Please bear in mind I'm in shock, had only just 'got over' my first born leaving for uni and all the emotions that brings.

I want to support DS19 with whatever gender expression he wants. When he still looked like him (and didn't appear to be 'dressed as' a mockery of women) I was shocked but we just thought ok, this is him experimenting with finding himself or whatever. But now I'm really worried about him and his future and whether others will look at him and think wtf. I'm also angry at the very (sorry to stereotype) 'teen boy' way he told us - late at night, no response, informing us what he was called rather than perhaps asking 'could you call me'. No consideration of the impact but I guess that might just be being 19.

I agree with what both of my daughters are saying. How do I say this because it then directly criticises DS? Do I accept he is an adult, has made his choices and my care and focus should be on them? I can't gaslight them and tell them they're wrong.

I'm now worried he's going to go into female spaces, as a clearly visible six foot plus male. This would make me angry.

He is at a university where I know lots of his lecturers (I am an academic in the same field). I know many are gender critical. Do I mention it to them first or let it be the elephant in the room?

I don't know what to say to my 85 year old mother. I think she will be very shocked and worried. I'm trying to work out if we have to tell her (she doesn't live nearby).

I don't know how much to talk to him or challenge this. I feel a kind of grief. I'm worried he's going to take hormones or do something irreversible.

We all dislike the name / think it's a very odd choice - which makes me feel very alienated from him.

And at the end of the day he's my 'baby' - I want him to be happy. I don't want people to criticise him. I want to support him but how do you do that when you question so much what he is doing? It wasn't the fact he declared himself to have a different gender but rather what followed - the declaration of name, strange clothing and fear of him going in women's spaces.

I also do absolutely realise he is an adult and can make his own choices and face the consequences. He has his own life (albeit he's being financially supported by us).

I guess it was just so sudden.

Any advice on what to do next would be gladly received.

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QueenCamilla · 07/10/2024 12:10

It's not possible to talk about this whilst ignoring his Autism.
The "gender choice" supporters are actually supporting, affirming and encouraging the visible symptoms of an illness. It's a sign that someone is struggling - physically, socially or with their sexuality. There is nothing to celebrate or encourage there.
No more than anyone should be accepting and supportive of my reckless, impulsive lifestyle when my ADHD goes off the rails.

In my teens, those on the spectrum who wanted to identify out of their internal and external turmoils, were Emos and Goths. A few extra pinholes in their face is probably the only reminder of that phase.
My friend with Aspergers - camp as one can be and bullied - had a high paying IT job and a family with two children straight out of the school. He'd have been a prime target for the pro-Trans groups and I have no doubt that it would have sent his life careering off the tracks.

There is much more support and understing of Neuro diversity these days. Unfortunately, that understanding has also informed the vultures as to where their victims lie.

SquirrelSoShiny · 07/10/2024 12:08

Ingenieur · 07/10/2024 11:56

You'll be surprised to hear, then, that at my DD's north London secondary school being trans is uncool to the point of embarrassment.

There isn't a generational divide like there was with being gay.

This was always going to be the outcome. Teens can be brutal and when 80+% of the trans people you know have a social and communication disorder ie autism the rest of the children will retreat in the opposite direction because at that age most just want to blend in with the herd.

It's one of the things I truly detest about trans ideology. It has taken vulnerable autistic kids (who were already socially isolated and a bit quirky) and encouraged them to dress and act in ridiculous performative ways which ADD to their isolation and distress. While simultaneously claiming to be inclusive ffs! 🤦‍♀️

Newterm · 07/10/2024 12:07

I think it’s a shame there isn’t a New Romantics or Goth revival. Young people would be able to find their tribe and dress up like Steve Strange without having to declare themselves trans.

nosmartphone · 07/10/2024 12:07

He's autistic. That's it.

Ignore. Move on. He's doing it for attention imo although I'd be very worried about who he's hanging around with.

Although to be fair, both of my kids know that if they pulled a stunt like this theyd be told not to be so fucking stupid. I can't see how it gets to this point that he can send a whatsapp group message, not acknowledge it and then do something bizarre like this! Is he your PFB? Have you cut him way more slack that the others?

Watched a very moving film about a girl who was genuinely intersex the other day. I'd make him watch that.

stanleypops66 · 07/10/2024 12:06

From an ASD perspective this is quite common. Given he's just started uni, it may be that he's doing it to fit in. Perhaps he's joined or wants to join a lgbtq group.

Will you have a chance to speak to him soon? I would be honest and express your surprise and concern and find out how this came about. Be open and loving, and just listen.

I agree with others that your daughters sound fab. I have had very open conversations with my dd for about 5 years on this topic. They know that people cannot change biological sex, but people can express themselves in whichever way they want. Doesn't mean we have to believe it, and nobody should encroach on women's safe spaces.

since1986 · 07/10/2024 12:05

I'd honestly have shut it down right there and then and explained to him I hope he understood that he can put whatever clothes on he likes, he is and will always be a male. He cant change his own biology.

Honestly, families not challenging this b.s. is half of the problem. Parent your kids fgs.

Worldgonecrazy · 07/10/2024 12:01

Very happy to report that DD’s school have also made it almost through the latest trans trend and it is now seen as desperately uncool and attention seeking.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/10/2024 12:00

How can you be a feminist without being critical of gender?

Gender literally means stereotypes socially associated with sex!

Yep.

Skyrainlight · 07/10/2024 12:00

OrlandointheWilderness · 07/10/2024 11:43

Your Daughters sound fab though. Intelligent and questioning.

Agreed, they give me hope for the younger generation.

Ingenieur · 07/10/2024 11:56

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You'll be surprised to hear, then, that at my DD's north London secondary school being trans is uncool to the point of embarrassment.

There isn't a generational divide like there was with being gay.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 07/10/2024 11:55

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Utter hogwash

it is not transphobic for OP DD to be very clear that they are uncomfortable with what their brothers idea of womanhood is and that it is not something you can identify in and out of

it is not a sisters job to be a support human to their brother, how they think and feel are just as valid as what he thinks and feels

PrimalLass · 07/10/2024 11:54

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SquirrelSoShiny · 07/10/2024 11:54

ThisIsAlmostHalloween · 07/10/2024 11:40

Daughter?

He comes downstairs in a victorian frock ONCE and that negates 19 years of being her son??

Get a grip

Indeed.

DadJoke's name pretty much sums up 90% of his posts.

Of course your son is autistic. Declaring a trans identity would have about 70-80% accuracy as an autism diagnostic as far as I can see, especially in a liberal home (so not homophobic).

Your son is pulling away from you quite naturally as he goes off to Uni. Unfortunately he is likely to only make friends with those who affirm him which will embed the insanity for a period. Be cheerful but non-committal and encourage siblings to do likewise. Keep the doors open for communication. If he keeps dressing in that way he's likely to end up equally disliked by men and women alike. Encourage him to join the chess club or something.

PrimalLass · 07/10/2024 11:53

I would tell him he is being ridiculous.

MumOfYoungTransAdult · 07/10/2024 11:52

Sorry to say this but your son may have developed a sexual paraphilia AGP. You may want to research it.

I really wouldn't go down that particular rabbithole. He has an ASC and that explains it well enough. The OP doesn't need to scare herself.

kolalumps · 07/10/2024 11:51

IMO, you should try to support him 100% while probably crying inside.

If he looks parody of a woman, try to help him look more seriously woman. You will learn a lot by sitting with him and solving the problem of their “look”. Probably googling for tips, and dress makeup hair tricks you already know. How do dress comfortably while also feeling “right”.

They might appreciate the mum-time, and support. There’s probably nothing worse than feeling alone & alienated in own home.

I’s keep away from hormones for now.
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I do have experience w young man who at 6th firm started wearing the girls uniform which school was ok with, until he started sexing it up with shortened skirt, loud makeup, fishnet tights, tight open blouse. All of which were against school policy. All thought he was embarking on a trans journey, but was telling all he was gay. Which gave school admin confusion about is gay valid reason for girl uniform? He was asked to follow either girl or boy uniform but the loud makeup, thighs, shirt skirt, open blouse were all violations. He did change schools, and when see him now he’s mostly dressed boy, but with makeup. Really, he looks striking now, rather than sexy man-Brittney.
So, imo ds on a journey. If you have an open dialogue and try keep “neutral” and supportive, you can stay involved and help if needed.

ColinTheGenderMinotaur · 07/10/2024 11:50

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/10/2024 11:43

Kind of like how people aren't homophobic if they're under 80.

I mean, that's not true, is it?

It’s a luxury belief.

ColinTheGenderMinotaur · 07/10/2024 11:49

ElleWoods15 · 07/10/2024 11:47

Seriously? You think denying a person’s gender identity decreases the risk of social isolation and suicide ideation?? Wow.

No, I think espousing ideas like ‘would you rather have a dead son or a live daughter’ increases suicidal ideation amongst gender distressed people.

ColinTheGenderMinotaur · 07/10/2024 11:48

ElleWoods15 · 07/10/2024 11:44

Feminism does not equal Gender Critical @Ereshkigalangcleg. FFS. But I don’t want to get into an argument with you about that, because that is not what this thread is about.

How can you be a feminist without being critical of gender?

Gender literally means stereotypes socially associated with sex!

those stereotypes were used to prevent women from fully engaging in education and the workforce for centuries (and still are, with varying degrees of progress made across the globe).

ElleWoods15 · 07/10/2024 11:47

ColinTheGenderMinotaur · 07/10/2024 11:46

Absolutely.

the sort of rhetoric you are replying to is presented as supportive of transitioning people but actually leads to increased social isolation and suicide ideation.

Seriously? You think denying a person’s gender identity decreases the risk of social isolation and suicide ideation?? Wow.

RVEllacott · 07/10/2024 11:47

I've been there - it's shit and you have my sympathy, it's the hardest thing I've ever dealt with. I joined the Gender Dysphoria Support Network which is an online support group for parents and they've been my lifeline. I wouldn't affirm the "new identity" as it isn't a neutral act and you will contribute to gaslighting your other children. Check out "gender - a wider lens" on YouTube as I think they'll probably have some stuff for siblings.

Adolescent brains don't mature until mid 20s and most young people who experiment with gender identity desist. Keep him away from adult gender clinics and any of the ghouls who might encourage him to make permanent changes to his body and check that he understands that he can never be female and that there are lots of different ways to be male.

ColinTheGenderMinotaur · 07/10/2024 11:46

ThisIsAlmostHalloween · 07/10/2024 11:36

Really?

You're going straight to the emotional blackmail of 'losing him' if she doesn't go along with this ridiculousness?

I'm surprised there's any trans people about considering how fragile and suicidal they ate constantly made out to be.

I have DIRECT experience of this and affirming isn't the way to go.

Also interesting how tou say she must support him but you use the word son and male pronouns throughout.

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Absolutely.

the sort of rhetoric you are replying to is presented as supportive of transitioning people but actually leads to increased social isolation and suicide ideation.

ElleWoods15 · 07/10/2024 11:44

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/10/2024 11:35

I was clear that Bayswater were more supportive of the OP's and her children's gender critical views than Dadjoke's offering and so was the other pp. The OP chose to post on the Feminism board for a reason.

Feminism does not equal Gender Critical @Ereshkigalangcleg. FFS. But I don’t want to get into an argument with you about that, because that is not what this thread is about.

HaddyAbrams · 07/10/2024 11:43

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Is this a joke? Plenty of people under 30 don't believe you can change sex (which isn't transphobia)
And tons of under 80s are homophobic. Including a lot of TRAs.

OrlandointheWilderness · 07/10/2024 11:43

Your Daughters sound fab though. Intelligent and questioning.

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