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How do you support other siblings when a teen decides they are trans

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Autumnleavesareslippery · 07/10/2024 09:13

I've name changed for this, have been a member for 19 years since pregnant with DS. I'm going to try and be factual as I'm in shock and dealing with a whole host of mine and my children's emotions. Yes I'm using 'he' here as none of us have got our heads around this. I'm trying to be very honest in how I feel and really need some support from people who have more of an idea about how to handle this than me.

DS (19) came home from uni on Friday. On Friday night at about 11 pm in the family chat he declared he was transgender. He informed us what he was called. It was an unusual name choice for a 19 year old - that of someone perhaps born 150 years ago. Think Enid. He told us he'd known for years.

All of us were in shock. I have DD (17) and DD and DS (both 14). I sent a message privately to him thanking for letting us know as I wasn't quite sure what else to say. He didn't read it and remained in his room. Didn't even bother with the usual teen response of a thumbs up.

Saturday and Sunday he acted completely normally, like nothing major had happened and he had told us he was vegetarian now or something. He seemed calm and relaxed. He looked exactly the same - a 6ft 2 broad shouldered man.

He then came downstairs to get a lift to the train station dressed as what I can only describe as a stereotype of what someone might think a woman looked like. Badly done make up. An odd dress that didn't fit. And started talking in a completely different soft 'feminine' voice and doing strange things with his hands that he must have deemed 'female'. He had lace like gloves on. It looked so outdated and strange.

The best way to describe it was he looked like Dame Edna or the character out of little Britain from 20 years ago in that the clothing was odd and it seemed almost designed to get a reaction. But he appeared to be deadly serious and nonchalant about it. A woman would have been clearly mocked if she dressed like it. It just leaves me wondering whether this is what he views women as?! Not that he knows any women who would act like this - he's surrounded by many women who express themselves in multiple ways but not in an Edwardian lady about to collapse way.

I drove him to the station trying to make small talk about the weather and his course and came back to everyone sat staring in disbelief. He's never said anything, acted in any way 'feminine' (whatever that means). He's at a RG uni, studying a science subject with 3 As at A level, and has organised himself a part time job. I only say this because life seems to be going well for him, rather than a potential response to something.

He is however autistic.

DD 17 is furious and says he's making a mockery of women and that woman is not a costume. She says he better not be going in female only spaces.

DD 15 looks stunned and keeps asking why he thinks he can just become a woman and what he thinks that means. She can't identify out of periods etc etc. DS 15 is laughing in disbelief. DH just looks completely confused and keeps muttering about getting loads of tattoos when he wanted to shock his parents thirty five years ago.

I genuinely don't know what to do next. Please bear in mind I'm in shock, had only just 'got over' my first born leaving for uni and all the emotions that brings.

I want to support DS19 with whatever gender expression he wants. When he still looked like him (and didn't appear to be 'dressed as' a mockery of women) I was shocked but we just thought ok, this is him experimenting with finding himself or whatever. But now I'm really worried about him and his future and whether others will look at him and think wtf. I'm also angry at the very (sorry to stereotype) 'teen boy' way he told us - late at night, no response, informing us what he was called rather than perhaps asking 'could you call me'. No consideration of the impact but I guess that might just be being 19.

I agree with what both of my daughters are saying. How do I say this because it then directly criticises DS? Do I accept he is an adult, has made his choices and my care and focus should be on them? I can't gaslight them and tell them they're wrong.

I'm now worried he's going to go into female spaces, as a clearly visible six foot plus male. This would make me angry.

He is at a university where I know lots of his lecturers (I am an academic in the same field). I know many are gender critical. Do I mention it to them first or let it be the elephant in the room?

I don't know what to say to my 85 year old mother. I think she will be very shocked and worried. I'm trying to work out if we have to tell her (she doesn't live nearby).

I don't know how much to talk to him or challenge this. I feel a kind of grief. I'm worried he's going to take hormones or do something irreversible.

We all dislike the name / think it's a very odd choice - which makes me feel very alienated from him.

And at the end of the day he's my 'baby' - I want him to be happy. I don't want people to criticise him. I want to support him but how do you do that when you question so much what he is doing? It wasn't the fact he declared himself to have a different gender but rather what followed - the declaration of name, strange clothing and fear of him going in women's spaces.

I also do absolutely realise he is an adult and can make his own choices and face the consequences. He has his own life (albeit he's being financially supported by us).

I guess it was just so sudden.

Any advice on what to do next would be gladly received.

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CatFeet · 08/10/2024 18:48

Regarding the question of why the bizarre get-up as opposed to what women actually wear day-to-day (generally speaking of course), I don’t think the aim with this is to look like your average woman. The goal is to act out the fantasy persona they have created for themselves, like being their own personal dress-up doll. I see this sort of mindset when playing a certain type of MMO video game for example, the amount of males playing female characters is overwhelming. Can’t say the same for the reverse. And of course they are all very particular with the outfits they dress their female selves as.

GatherlyGal · 08/10/2024 18:33

nosmartphone · 08/10/2024 17:06

The more I read of this the more I think..

Too much internet, grooming and hanging about with the wrong people. I honestly would not entertain this in the slightest and actually think adults that do are the dangerous ones. It's not normal and we shouldn't ever be saying it is. It's a cry for mental health support by vulnerable (often autistic) individuals.

Shame on everyone who does 'support' this. You're not helping.

I shaved my head age 13 because I wanted to a boy. Thank Christ my mum told me in no uncertain terms that was impossible and to frankly deal with it, deal with puperty, deal with being a woman. Can you imagine the untold damage if she'd have welcomed by new 'boy' name with open arms? The embarrassment years down the line of remembering that time I'd simply got a bit lost and a responsible adult willingly helped me instead of saying no. We all need to do better.

This is simply not normal. In any way shape or form.

Agree but in our case CAMHS crisis swept in and told us in no uncertain terms we had to accept the new name and identity.

And then when the referral to the Tavistock came around (which happened without my consent) they accepted DD's suggestion that having found out about trans on the internet she realised she needed puberty blockers. No examination at all just blind acceptance.

SisterofMCW · 08/10/2024 18:18

Thank you for understanding, Sophia. I surprised myself with my instant tears, it was completely out of my control-- so immediately and deeply felt. I guess I was heartbroken that this dear friend could care so much for an idea ("let's be kind to these women who were men poor dears") that I wasn't counted as fully human. I was a prop who must help fake the past for the benefit of this man she has never met.

SophiaCohle · 08/10/2024 17:57

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 08/10/2024 10:55

Being a trans ally, or even being transgender, is no protection from estrangement. My DS's sister is very sympathetic to trans people, but her relationship with her trans-identified brother is as broken as mine is with my son. This has come out of my son's behaviour towards the rest of his family, which started out reasonable but has become controlling as he has got sucked deeper into a particular trans culture. My daughter uses his preferred name and pronouns but that cuts no ice. Family relationships are far more complex than some like to think.

Someone IRL drew my attention to this today. Like much of the writing about trans it's been practically self-edited out of existence, but the comments section is interesting and completely confirms what you're saying here. The comment from a post-op trans older brother (iirc) was particularly eye-popping. It made me feel better to know that as families we are commonly being set up to fail.

https://www.transgendertrend.com/trans-kids-reject-family-not-other-way-around/

SophiaCohle · 08/10/2024 17:49

SisterofMCW · 08/10/2024 11:58

I have name changed because I give away a lot of details. This thread, OMG. It is very refreshing reading this thread (have not caught up yet by a long way) and seeing the clear understanding of the cult driven events of the 'coming out', their love-bombing friends, the inhuman manipulation of a vulnerable person (how I see it, at least).

In his mid fifties my brother decided or was convinced that his mental illness was caused by repressed womanhood. I lived in another country by then so was cushioned a bit (I admit when I heard I laughed out loud-- not in a mean way at all, it was entirely involuntary because of the absurdity...him? what?) but I have visited and spoken to him since of course. I am open to my friends where I now live about my brother in a realist way, not as a way to mock him, but to explain my family situation and to be clear I will not say she or sister because I believe he has been abused and swallowed a lie. He had a breakdown, he was taken advantage of when in a very vulnerable state, and sadly since embracing what he thinks of as womanhood his mental instability has not improved; I am unhappy this is now his life but it is his life.

In my life I grew up with a brother and that has not changed by him putting on a pencil skirt and fuck-me shoes to announce his new identity, out of the blue, to my poor elderly mother.

Earlier this year I was dining with a dear friend who is aware of my family details and when speaking about my brother asked "Oh, and how is she now?"

It was immediate, I was so floored I could not stop the tears. My friend wants to respect the pronoun of someone she has never met, will never meet, who lives thousands of miles away, and at the same time bolster the cult, the very abusers of him by affirming his claimed gender. With no consideration that doing so frames all of my history, my childhood memories as lies.

My friend knew my feelings on the matter but I am just the sibling not the very important stunning and brave who should be centered above all others. My whole concept of my family and my memories of family life just blew up kaboom with that one word and my friend has no understanding of this.

I know I have not explained this well, I feel I am awkward in describing this and I should have been more 'careful' in my wording, also the thread is long so the conversation may have moved on. It is hard for me to fathom my own feelings in this yet they are very strong and my friend's use of that word was so very hurtful. She wants to call my brother 'she' because she considers herself a good person. I could weep, again.

Earlier this year I was dining with a dear friend who is aware of my family details and when speaking about my brother asked "Oh, and how is she now?"

It was immediate, I was so floored I could not stop the tears. My friend wants to respect the pronoun of someone she has never met, will never meet, who lives thousands of miles away, and at the same time bolster the cult, the very abusers of him by affirming his claimed gender. With no consideration that doing so frames all of my history, my childhood memories as lies.

I feel so sorry for you. I relate to this, having had it done to me a few times by well-meaning friends in relation to my DS. I've told them in no uncertain terms that when they're talking to me they don't rewrite the past in this way.

My other children have swallowed the kool aid themselves sadly, having been at school during the Peak Trans years (Mermaids etc coming in to do workshops we knew nothing about) but even with them I can't bring myself to use the new name when we talk about the past. It's no different from Stalinisation imo.

Flowers for you

SophiaCohle · 08/10/2024 17:41

CautiousLurker · 08/10/2024 10:11

@RedToothBrush thank you for your post at 8.35 yesterday. I really appreciate the sharing. It makes me feel a little more confident that making sure my younger son’s needs were prioritised was the right move for us as a family.

At the time we did sense that DD felt that DS was the ‘favourite’ and that there was sibling rivalry involved and, on a subconscious level, a desire to dislodge her brother. There were eventually quite a few family rows where we pointed out that his needs had always been secondary to hers (sitting in the car for 90-120mins both ends of the day to drive her to the single sex private school she wanted, rather thenca the coed one 4miles away; the inability for him to attend any after school clubs/have play dates for the same reason). One day I just snapped and said that anyone looking in from the outside would assume she was the favourite as the entire effing household revolved around her for nearly a decade. Privately we always reassured him, privately we told him how much we loved him and that her needs didn’t trump his, that he was allowed to feel angry, that if he felt anxious/sad he must some to us. But we nonetheless missed his autism until he was 15, missed his heightened levels of anxiety for years before seeking treatment, and didn’t step in soon enough to avoid a minor disaster with his GCSEs because everyone was telling us DD had decided to end her life before her 18th birthday so we remained on suicide watch 24/7 for years.

We now actively and explicitly rank his needs equal to hers - she knows that whatever she needs and asks for will only be provided if it does not conflict with his needs, or our own. I could kick myself for not doing this sooner. Ironically, DS is happier, has experienced much less anxiety/fewer acute migraines over the last year… and DD has come to understand that she operates within a family where all 4 parties’ needs have to be weighted. Her desisting began around the time this came to a head. My DD is a good, loving (vulnerable and impressionable) kid, but her dad had a lifelong debilitating diagnosis coupled with cancerous polyps, my MH was so acutely eroding that we discussed my moving out, and my DS just soldiered on not wanting to make waves.

Somewhere along the line she realised she had effectively been terrorising us and that despite this we had stuck by her. She finally realised that though we set no store by the trans stuff we nonetheless unconditionally loved her - AND her brother. There’s been sea change in her behaviour, MH, physical health, and she is now forward looking to uni and her dream career albeit understanding that she might want/need to live at home during her degree and for a while afterwards until she feels well enough to go solo.

I’ve lain awake at night feeling like shit for not meeting my son’s needs quickly enough but he is, without doubt, the most kind, caring and loving boy. Experiencing all this seems to have made him more compassionate and selfless than many boys his own age, though I worry he will struggle to set his boundaries in relationships when he is older and feel strong enough to communicate and advocate for his own needs. We’re working on that, though.

Somewhere along the line she realised she had effectively been terrorising us and that despite this we had stuck by her. She finally realised that though we set no store by the trans stuff we nonetheless unconditionally loved her

This is what we all hope for and is so cheering to read.

I second your call for a new subforum btw. It would be almost the only place on the internet of it's kind. Considering how democratising the internet is said to be, it's shocking to realise how controversial and inflammatory this topic seems to be.

nosmartphone · 08/10/2024 17:06

The more I read of this the more I think..

Too much internet, grooming and hanging about with the wrong people. I honestly would not entertain this in the slightest and actually think adults that do are the dangerous ones. It's not normal and we shouldn't ever be saying it is. It's a cry for mental health support by vulnerable (often autistic) individuals.

Shame on everyone who does 'support' this. You're not helping.

I shaved my head age 13 because I wanted to a boy. Thank Christ my mum told me in no uncertain terms that was impossible and to frankly deal with it, deal with puperty, deal with being a woman. Can you imagine the untold damage if she'd have welcomed by new 'boy' name with open arms? The embarrassment years down the line of remembering that time I'd simply got a bit lost and a responsible adult willingly helped me instead of saying no. We all need to do better.

This is simply not normal. In any way shape or form.

SeptimusSheep · 08/10/2024 16:58

It was an unjustifiably rude comment about the OP's teenage son, Cowboy.

CowboyJoanna · 08/10/2024 16:17

TeenToTwenties · 08/10/2024 10:50

How is that helpful?

What did this say Grin

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/10/2024 13:29

No, quite @Datun

Datun · 08/10/2024 13:28

TransSister · 08/10/2024 13:08

Before he came out, they knew I was pretty terfy. I studied and worked in a male dominated industry, approached with humour, getting the job done, being optimistic.
I've always been very women's rights, gay friends, lesbian friends so they have that back drop. But I've never liked drag (woman face) , burlesque (too pub lunchtime stripper).
I was also very strong on ',Pink Stinks' toy campaign, not stereotyping roles or interests. I'm also very proud of giving birth, telling them it's truely the most amazing physical thing I have ever done but it's part of my amazing life - other paths are equally amazing and all inevitably involve compromise.

An earlier poster talked about the waves of #bekind that flooded schools, they got caught up with that. To not use they/them would be social suicide so we did talk a lot about how like at work sometimes you just keep powering through.

By the time my brother came out, I think they were both tired of the whole school trans & pronoun thing and they could see how selfish he was. He also has gone down the little Britain version. It was a lot to take in when your first grandparent had died.
His now ex-girlfriend had done all the birthday heavy lifting so that stopped and he has never bothered with them as individuals. My mum stepped up to buy Xmas presents 'from him' last year which was totally obvious.

I think they feel he is a fraud, he was already bottom of the list in the event of an emergency. And my mum's #bekind it's family rings really hollow when friends, people in our community and other relatives have a much deeper, consistent understanding of them, their growth and their future dreams.
Old beer bloated middle aged people are never a good look so when my mum referred to his brave, stunning efforts they teenage rolled their eyes.

Very descriptive and articulate.

I'm thinking about some of the middle-aged men in my family, and if they did it.

I honestly don't think I'd have the words.

TransSister · 08/10/2024 13:08

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/10/2024 12:37

What do your teens think about their uncle @TransSister?

Before he came out, they knew I was pretty terfy. I studied and worked in a male dominated industry, approached with humour, getting the job done, being optimistic.
I've always been very women's rights, gay friends, lesbian friends so they have that back drop. But I've never liked drag (woman face) , burlesque (too pub lunchtime stripper).
I was also very strong on ',Pink Stinks' toy campaign, not stereotyping roles or interests. I'm also very proud of giving birth, telling them it's truely the most amazing physical thing I have ever done but it's part of my amazing life - other paths are equally amazing and all inevitably involve compromise.

An earlier poster talked about the waves of #bekind that flooded schools, they got caught up with that. To not use they/them would be social suicide so we did talk a lot about how like at work sometimes you just keep powering through.

By the time my brother came out, I think they were both tired of the whole school trans & pronoun thing and they could see how selfish he was. He also has gone down the little Britain version. It was a lot to take in when your first grandparent had died.
His now ex-girlfriend had done all the birthday heavy lifting so that stopped and he has never bothered with them as individuals. My mum stepped up to buy Xmas presents 'from him' last year which was totally obvious.

I think they feel he is a fraud, he was already bottom of the list in the event of an emergency. And my mum's #bekind it's family rings really hollow when friends, people in our community and other relatives have a much deeper, consistent understanding of them, their growth and their future dreams.
Old beer bloated middle aged people are never a good look so when my mum referred to his brave, stunning efforts they teenage rolled their eyes.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/10/2024 12:37

What do your teens think about their uncle @TransSister?

TransSister · 08/10/2024 12:35

There's clearly a few of us @SisterofMCW on the middle aged trans sibling bench with elderly mothers (my brother dropped his bomb 48 hours after my dad died).

I also have teenagers, so a bit of a window into that world but I think my middle aged brother journey is different to that of my DD's lesbian friend who is heading to transman territory rather than the glorious 90s role models of KD Lang, etc

CautiousLurker · 08/10/2024 12:31

@SisterofMCW sending a hug. 🫂

Hopefully with spaces like this and work of groups like the TransWidows, people will start considering siblings. Think they are the one group in all this that is truly marginalised, invisible and not deemed to ‘exist’.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/10/2024 12:04

SisterofMCW Flowers

SisterofMCW · 08/10/2024 11:58

I have name changed because I give away a lot of details. This thread, OMG. It is very refreshing reading this thread (have not caught up yet by a long way) and seeing the clear understanding of the cult driven events of the 'coming out', their love-bombing friends, the inhuman manipulation of a vulnerable person (how I see it, at least).

In his mid fifties my brother decided or was convinced that his mental illness was caused by repressed womanhood. I lived in another country by then so was cushioned a bit (I admit when I heard I laughed out loud-- not in a mean way at all, it was entirely involuntary because of the absurdity...him? what?) but I have visited and spoken to him since of course. I am open to my friends where I now live about my brother in a realist way, not as a way to mock him, but to explain my family situation and to be clear I will not say she or sister because I believe he has been abused and swallowed a lie. He had a breakdown, he was taken advantage of when in a very vulnerable state, and sadly since embracing what he thinks of as womanhood his mental instability has not improved; I am unhappy this is now his life but it is his life.

In my life I grew up with a brother and that has not changed by him putting on a pencil skirt and fuck-me shoes to announce his new identity, out of the blue, to my poor elderly mother.

Earlier this year I was dining with a dear friend who is aware of my family details and when speaking about my brother asked "Oh, and how is she now?"

It was immediate, I was so floored I could not stop the tears. My friend wants to respect the pronoun of someone she has never met, will never meet, who lives thousands of miles away, and at the same time bolster the cult, the very abusers of him by affirming his claimed gender. With no consideration that doing so frames all of my history, my childhood memories as lies.

My friend knew my feelings on the matter but I am just the sibling not the very important stunning and brave who should be centered above all others. My whole concept of my family and my memories of family life just blew up kaboom with that one word and my friend has no understanding of this.

I know I have not explained this well, I feel I am awkward in describing this and I should have been more 'careful' in my wording, also the thread is long so the conversation may have moved on. It is hard for me to fathom my own feelings in this yet they are very strong and my friend's use of that word was so very hurtful. She wants to call my brother 'she' because she considers herself a good person. I could weep, again.

RedToothBrush · 08/10/2024 11:30

Why I don't agree with the above deliberately controversial and inflammatory comment above, I DO think there is merit to pondering about militant transactivism and its rise coinciding with the rise of incelism and extreme graphic content. We've all side that side of it and how it involves threats and abuse towards women.
We also know that numerous celebrity trans women have admitted to stealing their sisters underwear. Twitter is choc full of it. Just take a peak at JK Rowlings feed. There is, unfortunately, a degree of cross over between the two ideologically. If we don't talk about this, we also potentially are missing yet another significant point.

My own experience with the element of sibling rivalry and competition does make me wonder if there is something rooted in this too. I find it fascinating that two posters have mentioned how they know someone who has transitioned and picked a name very close to their sisters. And there's been a couple of comments about golden children or percieved golden children.

If we ARE going to have this conversation properly, we do perhaps need to touch on this, and if you have a son being particularly hardline and militant how you actually deal with that, particularly if you also have daughters. Sibling abuse is a subject that is so very rarely talked about but we know does exist.

And once again, we have the narrative of the 'lovely wouldn't hurt a fly, everyone loves them trans identifying child' which is totally at odds with the University Mob Mentality which has harassed attempts to speak out about issues and led to actual real life court cases.

What DO you do, if your son come home from University to his teenage younger sister and he's acting in the way thats been accepted on university campuses??!

And as just noted, we also have elements which are similar to coercive control in terms of trying to force family members into going along with it all.

Parents need to be able to talk about this as a potential concern.

None of this is pleasant or particularly palatable, but I do think that there's enough evidence available to say that actually we should perhaps have this is our radars.

Those uni men screaming at women trying to hold a peaceful meeting have parents somewhere. Are we supposed to believe that their parents are on board with that or are happy about their behaviour? Are we supposed to believe they all have healthy relationships with their siblings? Are we buying into the idea that men that behave like that may have been 'unfairly' alienated by family?

This is a complex subject and I get fed up of the policing in terms of it being 'transphobic' or 'too negative to trans people' and not being allowed to raise this as a point that might be impacting some families in a way thats really not happily ever after and isn't rooted in prejudice.

The IS a militant and cultlike problem around transactivism and transidentification.

How DO you handle it if you feel your child is caught up in that but has their own issues you feel leaves them also vulnerable in their own right? Theres absoluetely nothing out there and there is a social pressure to still just tolerate it despite all of the warning signs that are present.

CautiousLurker · 08/10/2024 11:14

@Autumnleavesareslippery
@RedToothBrush and others - am so grateful that we have inadvertently come across this topic via the brave and honest OP.

And yes, I think it would be very helpful and even empowering to have a space where we can explore the impact on the entire family. It’s been truly cathartic to whisper my maternal guilt with respect to my DS in this thread (am feeling a bit tearful now) because as parents we kind of have to suck it up, but the siblings of these kids are so marginalised and forgotten. Where is the support for them in schools that push total acceptance of trans identifying adolescents?

Before the GCSE debacle DS had been plotting his escape from it all, and we’d supported it realising how hard it’s been for him to live with all this going on. In all honesty, it wasn’t so bad, 8 passes at 5/6 when he’d been predicted 8/9s and planned on med school, but meant he lost his place at a boarding school he’d fallen in love with. Our GP neighbours have given advice on alternate routes and offered references for graduate programmes if he still feels he’s missed out… but what’s been going on has clearly had a huge impact on him and potentially limited his options in life as a result of our not stepping up sooner.

I wish I’d had a space where people were shouting ‘your other children are just as important and just because they aren’t suicidally ideating doesn’t mean they aren’t in distress’… I might have tuned in sooner. DS will be fine. We’ll find a path so that whatever he wants to do is supported, but the final straw for us was when DD confessed that the fact he wanted to go to med school made her feel small and a failure and that she was relieved that path wasn’t open to him any more. I maintained a poker face, understood that what she was trying to say was that she feared that the arty degrees at non-Russell Group Unis would be perceived by others as a failure/less than what he may have gone on to achieve, but I was devastated as her perspective. It took her a few days of watching him cry his heart out and our fumbling to get him into the same local tech college as her, with none of his friends along side him, to realise how deeply unfair that comment was.

She may be 19, but she’s about 14 in emotional maturity. I have to keep reminding myself as I build higher and stronger defences around my DS.

Skyrainlight · 08/10/2024 11:07

RedToothBrush · 08/10/2024 09:04

There are forums where trans people discuss how to dress, how to walk, how to change mannerisms etc etc.

Yet I think the subject remains off limits to family members because of this common trait of over-defensiveness and being primed to expect rejection.

This is why I say, it's easy to find yourself trying to be helpful and supportive but finding yourself being screamed at for somehow getting it wrong and not behaving in the expected fashion.

This why I say I think it's really relevant to talk about autism and more rigid expectations in this context.

The whole process of validating and affirming is often about being expected to over look the glaringly obvious and to be compliant with expectations - the whole walking on eggshells thing. It's really not healthy in anyway. It's about power and control. Just like anorexia is very often not about weight at all.

Families being silenced and stigmatised often because we are so fearful that something bad will happen to our family member, if we are honest, has meant that the whole understanding of what someone being trans is like is distorted. We have this notion of them being helpless victims who have been rejected by their families as a standard trope despite the fact that only a few years ago trans groups themselves were openly saying that it's not unusual for the opposite with trans people rejecting their families because they are a reminder of the past. We have this notion of trans people being bullied by family members yet when you actually talk to family members many will feel intimidated and bullying into submission over pronouns and names with genuine mistakes being viewed as major transgressions worthy of punishment.

The reality of it up close and in families encompasses a much wider range of experiences - including many which don't paint trans people in a particularly healthy light. Often precisely because there are massive mental health issues going off simultaneously which we are supposed to just gloss over and ignore.

Family members bottling up their own feelings doesn't work well either. It creates a pressure cooker effect which is combined with walking on eggshells. That doesn't lead to a scenario where everyone is content. It leads to one where a confrontation is highly likely, emotions are running high and everyone ends up saying or doing things which don't help anyone. You have to be able to talk about the difficult and inconvenient stuff as well as the nice stuff in ANY healthy relationship.

Parents are there to foster mutual respect and that respect is a two way process. They should encourage talking about good things and bad things and making a point that avoidant type behaviour is unhealthy. They should encourage independence of thought and creation of personal boundaries. They should also remind children that reality is a bitch and you can't live in a fantasy land and in the protective bubble of your safe space at that age because the big wide world isn't always nice, or fair nor can you live a fantasy life.

I find it depressing it's taken this long before pushback on the evil bigotted family narrative has been possible (the trans widows have made that much more possible).

The wisdom in your posts should be saved and shared somewhere that other people can access it permanently, it's such important information and a really valuable perspective.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/10/2024 10:59

Being a trans ally, or even being transgender, is no protection from estrangement. My DS's sister is very sympathetic to trans people, but her relationship with her trans-identified brother is as broken as mine is with my son. This has come out of my son's behaviour towards the rest of his family, which started out reasonable but has become controlling as he has got sucked deeper into a particular trans culture. My daughter uses his preferred name and pronouns but that cuts no ice. Family relationships are far more complex than some like to think.

Also from what I've seen trans subreddits etc often promote estrangement from the "cis" like a coercively controlling partner would "your parents don't understand you, your "cis" friends don't understand you"

Theeyeballsinthesky · 08/10/2024 10:58

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/10/2024 10:56

I think that what we need is a topic called something like "Families of gender-questioning adolescents".

That's a really good idea, or even just a series of long running threads like the Trans Widows threads.

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 08/10/2024 10:55

Being a trans ally, or even being transgender, is no protection from estrangement. My DS's sister is very sympathetic to trans people, but her relationship with her trans-identified brother is as broken as mine is with my son. This has come out of my son's behaviour towards the rest of his family, which started out reasonable but has become controlling as he has got sucked deeper into a particular trans culture. My daughter uses his preferred name and pronouns but that cuts no ice. Family relationships are far more complex than some like to think.

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