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Are younger generations more regressive?

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bryceQ · 06/10/2024 16:48

I'm in my mid 30s, my brother is in his early 20s. He believes in gender ideology, TWAW... But also agrees there are sex differences in sport 🤷‍♀️. Knows I've faced a lot of street harassment by men which makes me feel unsafe... Knows our mum faced domestic violence. I think his opinion is quite confused, but also think his opinions in general lack maturity which is normal at his age.

Anyway.... Today he was saying that his girlfriend has decorated her room in very "girly colours" - and apparently gen z call this "girly core". I found it really irritating that this generation seem to cling to gender stereotypes in a way that seems so regressive. It feels like we are going the opposite way. I find it so perplexing, for all the obsession with what you identify as...., all of the identifications seem to be rooted in outdated stereotypes. Girls like pink 🙄

I know this is just a silly anecdote, but I wondered those of you with grown-up children or younger siblings, have you noticed this too?

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fabricstash · 06/10/2024 19:58

The tide is definitely turning. I know lots of the adult "be kind" brigade that have turned. I don't think they fully understood what they were asked to agree with. There is still masses of misinformation out there in media. Also the gender identity theory is definitely waning in the school children I know. They think stereotypes should not define who they are and how they present themselves

FKAT · 06/10/2024 19:47

Yeah I do think it's regressed very badly. I grew up in the 80s (which had its own issues) but we had a female prime minister, female head of state, lots of very gender non conforming female role models in pop culture (Annie Lennox, Tracy Chapman, Salt n Pepa, Alison Moyet) and strong ambitious women (being a 'bitch' was a good thing) from all backgrounds were all over TV. Women with short hair and trousers were normal. There was no 'be kind'. Pop videos weren't 3 minute soft porn and Germaine Greer was a celebrity.

ByMerryKoala · 06/10/2024 18:34

If I were embedded in a generation that routinely hen pecked the non conformists into a hormonally and surgically corrected box then you better believe that I'd have jettisoned my tomboy like manner for a "girly core" shield.

username345 · 06/10/2024 18:17

I think it comes from a misguided view of 'tolerance' and online indoctrination. The T in LGBTQ+ has always been tolerated as it was seen as part of the gay umbrella, so it was tolerated as homosexuality is tolerated and accepted.

However the T has snowballed and become a monster, superseding the LBG but people are still tolerant. Because it's predominantly male led, the fact that it harms women and girls is also tolerated. In that many girls are attracted to the ideology and it encroaches on women's spaces.

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Circumferences · 06/10/2024 18:07

Extreme gender ideologists do tend to come from a specific generation, yes. (Unfortunately my generation.)

Thankfully a lot of the younger generation coming through are typically rebellious and are going against the ideas around TWAW etc in their teens.

I see it as a wave.

Many people of the TWAW/No debate/bekind etc end up peaking after having children of their own so their own children will be more reasonable on this issue.

Swamphag · 06/10/2024 18:00

I think maybe 20-25 years ago things like clothes and toys started to be split very heavily along the lines of everything for girls being pink and everything for boys being trucks and dinosaurs. The marketers managed to find a way to sell twice to families who had both male and female children. Even pushchairs began to be gender coded. I've often wondered if that's why kids who were born around that time rely very heavily on sex stereotypes around gender identity.

I tried to push against that and DD was steered away from all the pink nonsense. I question whether if she'd been bought Barbie's etc would she ever have gone down the non-binary path or if she would have accepted that she was a girl because her toys and clothes marked her out as one just like her peers. In trying to do the right thing and smash stereotypes, did I push her into gender ideology? Can't do right for doing wrong ☹️

NPET · 06/10/2024 17:41

Well all I'm going to say is that I'm 20 and, usually, agree with the consensus on here regarding TWAW and such. That seems to make myself and my immediate friends regressive compared to many people of my age who delight in being "woke" and allowing men - sorry, transwomen - into our toilets and changing rooms.
It may have something to do with being SA'd when I was 14 (and 2 of my bffs have suffered similarly).
Sorry if, as usual, I'm going off at tangents.

BestZebbie · 06/10/2024 16:56

There are about 500 types of -core, including stuff like goblin-core, so pink being called "girly-core" sounds par for the course. I think the key is that the word used is "girly-" rather than e.g.: woman-core, female-core etc, it is more referencing a specific aesthetic than saying it is the only possible presentation for the whole gender.