Fws latest campaign

Every study on the advantages of testosterone and male puberty is a study that comments on the effects on prospects of winning against men in women’s sport, and also the safety of competing against men.

thanks to @Christinapple for the careful questions/accusations, the answers to which mean many of us now have a far clearer understanding of the law regarding collecting data.

I'm a single woman. Stop posting your nonsense.

@dadjoke why do you speak for women?

Please could you let us know which Act of Parliament makes revealing that someone is trans illegal?

MRAs and TRAs both place the feelings of men above the material reality of women's lives.

They may differ on trans-related issues:
All TRAs are MRAs.
Not all MRAs are TRAs.

"ITS NOT ILLEGAL TO reveal if someone is trans"

Yes it is. Any sports team or club who reveals to anyone if any of their members are gay or trans are breaking the law. And if it does happen I hope the police will be investigating this.

"FWS is trying to establish which sports teams and organisations are throwing women"

By asking the public "tell us what you know". And as I mentioned earlier there's the other concern of how will FWSSport verify the accuracy of the information they receive. I can't see how they can do this without themselves or others breaking the law or becoming stalkers?

The problem isn't the presence of trans women, then, is it? It's underinvestment in women's sport. There aren't many threads about that here, because transphobia rots the brain.

There hasn't been a single statistical study showing heightened risks of injury or the effect on prospects of winning, and the vast majority of women's sport is trans inclusive, because that's what the women who organise the matches decide.

MRAs, like gender critical people, oppose trans rights. Often, it's hard to tell the difference.

Hmmm ..... no! 😛

And I see our old MRA, DadJoke, has joined the thread to sell us how awful we are cos we is not listening to the men and their feelings.

This is not the goddamn Olympics. People at a very low level are happily getting on playing badminton or football, no one is excluded

👆Wow. Such breathtaking arrogance and assumptions from a presumably male poster here. The poster has absolutely no evidence or understanding of what women and girls at 'low level' are thinking.

To repeat what @Igmum said, above:
"At grass roots level there is already a massive problem of underinvestment in women's facilities and leagues and of women and girls not participating in sport. When the even less adequate men invade women's sport at this level women can no longer change in private, are exposed to significantly heightened risks of injury and lose prospects of winning."

What's appalling is how YOU hate women.

Why, in the name of all that's holy, are you going to such lengths to protect men who think they're women? We all know they're not, never have been and never will be. Ergo they don't belong in women's sport.

What's so bloody hard to understand????

Nobody's asking for the names and addresses of anybody. FWS is trying to establish which sports teams and organisations are throwing women (the female kind 🙄) under the proverbial bus by allowing males to compete against them!

Still, I'd risk a criminal record to stop this shit. I've given up with #BeKind; to be honest, I'm not sure I ever started with it.

Will all males competing in women's sport kindly fuck off elsewhere. No, I don't care where. And no, I don't care about your feelings.

According to RA's latest report to the UN 600 sportswomen have been denied 890 medals by inadequate men masquerading as women.

At grass roots level there is already a massive problem of underinvestment in women's facilities and leagues and of women and girls not participating in sport. When the even less adequate men invade women's sport at this level women can no longer change in private, are exposed to significantly heightened risks of injury and lose prospects of winning.

This is an important issue to research and FWS are conducting work that I suspect will be rigorous and which is certainly in the public interest. It also is rather easy to spot most TW so this is unlikely to be invasive since the information needed is in the public domain (I see a big burly 6'4" man playing in a women's cricket team and I'm not breaching anyone's confidence by letting FWS know).

This is simply a doxing and harassment campaign designed to humiliate trans women.

This is simply a fantasy you've made up. People on here have repeatedly told you the real motivation for this research.

The TRAs disagree with women who don't centre men in absolutely everything even their own spaces and sports.

It's funny, isn't it, at a time when trans activists are threatening women with iron bars, punching women, throwing soup at them, sending them death and rape threats, shouting abuse outside their meetings and so on and so forth, that your bog-standard male rights activist comes on here and pretends to be frightened that the names of trans-identifying men might be made public?

I mean, what does he think women are going to do? Storm over to their houses and tut at them disapprovingly?

What’s despicable is men and boys infiltrating women and girls sports and denying them a place in their own fucking sport!
I don’t care if policies allow it. Not one decent person would knowingly do this is they have a shit about females.

@EdithStourton I am not "lecturing women," I am disagreeing with gender critical people. Agreeing with you because you are a woman would be incredibly patronising. If a single woman on the Feminism forum asks me not to post, I will stop posting.

This is simply a doxing and harassment campaign designed to humiliate trans women. It's entirely possible to research and advocate your position without doing this.

'I know some here dislike the word'.
I bloody hate it. It's an attempt the erase the reality of biological sex and the meaning of the word of woman. I find its use unnecessary and insulting. If you know we hate it, why do you persist in using it? Is it because women feelings are less important than men's?

And @DadJoke I take it you're a bloke. I'd really appreciate it if you stopped lecturing women about how we should behave. But then, it seems you think that men's opinions are more important than women's opinions.

We do not want men in our sports.
We do not want men in our private spaces.
We are allowed to think this, and to campaign for it to bloody well stop.

I really admire the posters who plug patiently away for women's rights without losing their shit. Thank you all. I am not equal to it, I lose my shit too quickly.

Who exactly do you think they will be contacting to get this information? The volunteers who run the clubs. "Are any of your badminton players transgender, or have they ever been transgender?"

They'll be using their eyes when competing or spectating. This information is already well-known by the women involved in these sports; the research is to collate it nationally.

The claim that "no one is excluded" is also false. Sports teams by their very nature have a limited number of places. Including a man in a women's team means excluding a woman who should be there.

The second quote was from the official Sex Matters account, and the first from a senior Sex Matters worker,

It's a doxing campaign - they want people to contact these small clubs and name the transgender people who play there.

It's not "research". They are asking people to report anonymously. There are ways of doing research ethically. This is not one of them. This is like the EDL asking people to report "non-white" players for "research purposes." I have no doubt we'll get pictures and names of the victims on social media, and they'll be subject to harassment.

Who exactly do you think they will be contacting to get this information? The volunteers who run the clubs. "Are any of your badminton players transgender, or have they ever been transgender?"

This is not the goddamn Olympics. People at a very low level are happily getting on playing badminton or football, no one is excluded, and FWS and SM are just stirring up hatred, because that's why they exist.

In case anyone takes this post seriously:

(1) Not that it makes any real difference, but the quote is not from SexMatters official account - as has been made abundantly clear above. I think some TRAs get so used to lying they just do it without thinking.

(2) It's not a "harassment campaign", they are not "encouraging people to go and harass and intimidate". There's no possible way to read those things into the quote. It is purely data collection for research purposes.

(3) To collect this data accurately, of course individuals must be identified. If seven people report that there is a male competing in a particular women's sporting event, is that one instance or several? Without collecting names, it's impossible to tell. It would be irresponsible to collect this data in a way that made it impossible to draw meaningful conclusions from it.

(4) "Most of them will just be volunteers running sports leagues" -- this seems wildly unlikely. Many more people participate in sports than organize the leagues or competitions. Almost all of us know the probable motivations of the men involved, and a passionate desire to make tea & biscuits or draw up fixture schedules is not top of the list.