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Telegraph article: ‘We’re not transphobic, we just want privacy’

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RoyalCorgi · 03/10/2024 16:09

Haven't seen this shared anywhere else. This is a good article about the Darlington nurses who were forced to share changing room space with a person called Rose who, in the words of the article, "was born a man and retains male genitalia".

The women are taking their employer to an employment tribunal for sex discrimination and sexual harassment. I absolutely applaud them for doing this and admire their determination. But I also think: isn't it time to be a bit more blunt about this? In any normal context, if we knew a male person was using a female changing room, we would recognise him as engaging in voyeurism and, possibly, exhibitionism - both criminal offences. Isn't there a case for going straight to the police rather than to an employment tribunal? I am so fed up with the way we all tiptoe round this issue rather than speaking loudly and clearly about what's going on.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/02/darlington-nurses-fighting-for-women-only-spaces/

‘We’re not transphobic, we just want privacy’: The nurses fighting the NHS for women-only spaces

In an exclusive interview, four whistleblowers reveal why they’re suing their hospital for allowing a man to use the women’s changing room

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/10/02/darlington-nurses-fighting-for-women-only-spaces

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 03/10/2024 19:46

Very brave women - and a shocking employer... the NHS.

Igmum · 03/10/2024 18:47

They are courageous women. Hopefully it will be a straightforward win in the ET and will have implications throughout the (insane parts) of the NHS. I mean if the medics don't understand biology we are stuffed

Elliebox · 03/10/2024 18:30

It’s about time someone stood up to this nonsense. You can’t become a woman if you were born a man. That’s it.

NPET · 03/10/2024 18:27

Sorry - as usual probably shooting off at a tangent. So I'll be quick. I'm 20, afaik I'm not "transphobic", but what sort of a world am I now involved in? People with Vs like me and people with Ps like my "partner(s)" SHOULD NOT be roomed together, and certainly should not use toilets or bathrooms together.
That's me done.

Snowypeaks · 03/10/2024 16:31

It would make a point if it was a high-profile woman/group of women who went to the police. These nurses would just have been subjected to a long and painful investigation and they might have lost their jobs as well.
A win in the ET (or EAT if it goes that far) means that the whole of the NHS would have to change policy or risk a series of court cases with a payout on each one and the reputational damage of having been found to be discriminatory. And the NHS is one of the largest employers in the world. A win would set the tone for UK - forcing women to share communal facilities with men is unlawful discrimination and a breach of women's Article 8 human rights.

RoyalCorgi · 03/10/2024 16:21

StrongFemaleCharacter · 03/10/2024 16:14

The police are long since captured. If you went to them you'd be arrested yourself for a hate crime.

That's probably true, sadly, but it would make a point, wouldn't it? The whole situation is so completely outrageous. Everyone knows that Rose is a man. The fact that everyone working for this NHS trust is required to pretend that Rose is a woman is just insane, truly Orwellian.

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StrongFemaleCharacter · 03/10/2024 16:14

The police are long since captured. If you went to them you'd be arrested yourself for a hate crime.

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