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“There is no evidence that predatory and abusive men have ever had to pretend to be anything else to carry out abusive and predatory behaviour.”

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ArabellaScott · 03/10/2024 13:06

I know this was years back.

It's just struck me again what vacuous bullshit it is.

Every man who has abused and predated has pretended to be something else.

How many men wear T shirts saying 'Hi, I'm a rapist', or state their intent to abuse children when applying for a job or meeting a prospective partner, or signing up for a dating app, or going out for a drink with someone, or spiking said someone's drink, or 'love bombing' a target, or stalking someone, or abusing their position of trust in their job, church, social group?

Every predator and abuser 'pretends' to not be a predator and abuser, surely?

Deception, manipulation and lying is a fundamental part of abuse.

It's quite chilling that politicians got to the point where they would make a statement like this.

It's effectively saying that men will openly warn us before abusing and predating. It's the direct opposite of the truth. In other words, it's a huge, blatant lie.

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Shortshriftandlethal · 03/10/2024 13:18

Grooming is the process where someone persuades another to lower their boundaries or loosen their defences.

popeydokey · 03/10/2024 13:15

And the bloke who's "just John". "Oh, that's just John, that's just the way he is, you need to treat him differently and change your boundaries and requirements for funny/lonely/disadvantaged characters like him".

He might not be pretending but society is pretending his oddness means he's harmless.

Not that there's anything inherently wrong with being an oddball. It's just people shouldn't abandon their boundaries or safeguarding practices because of it.

I think there is something to be said about how much of this "hidden in plain sight" that people accommodate and let slide, for sure. But that doesn't mean that abusers don't pretend.

Shortshriftandlethal · 03/10/2024 13:14

The braver these abusers become - due to haveing got way with with it for so long, the more brazen they become. Until the point when the abuse is happening in plain sight but people still pretend they cannot see it.

Shortshriftandlethal · 03/10/2024 13:12

Quite! Mohammed al Fayed 'hid' his behaviour in plain sight - but because of his power and great wealth - people were frightened to act on their knowledge - and even became complicit in it.

Jimmy Saville hid his utterly reprehensible behaviour behind a smokescreen of charity work and his celebrity status protected him for years.

Countless gurus and spiritual leaders have used their role to abuse women and girls. Most cults, when dissolved, reveal sexually abusive men in positions of ledership and power.

popeydokey · 03/10/2024 13:10

I can't even imagine a scenario where a man would pretend to be so good that he's holy, and then go on to abuse - obviously that would be far too much unnecessary pretending!

Elderberrier · 03/10/2024 13:09

Absolutely. Dangerous lie made for her own political gain. Abuse is frequently all about pretending to be trustworthy when you are not.