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Tavistock Lead Psychologist is a Paedophile

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AndSoFinally · 02/10/2024 17:25

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13914025/amp/Psychologist-works-Tavistock-clinic-remains-FREE-practice-despite-caught-grooming-schoolboy.html

Well, colour me surprised

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TempestTost · 02/10/2024 18:38

ErrolTheDragon · 02/10/2024 18:32

There may be legitimate reasons for privacy from parents (parental abuse for instance) but surely in that case kids should be chaperoned?

I would think.

I can also see that some kids might have a harder time talking openly with parents present.

But then, no one accepts that as a reason to have inappropriate privacy with people like clergy, even though that could be equally legitimate.

ArabellaScott · 02/10/2024 18:37

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 02/10/2024 17:44

He didn't work in GIDS. Not that that makes it any better.

Thanks, I misunderstood that.

ErrolTheDragon · 02/10/2024 18:32

TempestTost · 02/10/2024 17:37

I'm shocked too.

But you know, this is part of the reason I object to psychologists insisting on privacy from parents when they treat teens and even kids.

Obviously this is just one guy and there are many who are nothing like this, but I think it is precisely the same kind of scenario as priests in the scandals in the Catholic Church. Those guys that went into those roles deliberately to target young people, today they become psychologists.

There may be legitimate reasons for privacy from parents (parental abuse for instance) but surely in that case kids should be chaperoned?

TempestTost · 02/10/2024 18:31

MarkWithaC · 02/10/2024 18:08

Obviously he and his actions are despicable, but pps are right: he didn't work at the gender clinic.

I think we could say that if guys like this are working within a larger organization which deals with children and young people, it raises questions about the overall beliefs and decisions being made or seen as acceptable in the clinic.

Strictly speaking, this guy does not seem to be a peadophile, he seems to be attracted to teens, which is a different thing. And it's also worth noting that this kind of liaison between teen and older gay men used to be an accepted feature in much of the gay community, and there are still groups within the community who see that as ok. More so than people ok with liaisons with children which seems to be a much smaller group. If you've ever looked at a thread here talking about this kind of hook up, there is a really surprising number of people who defend it as a "normal gay thing"

It's been a question, the extent to which those kinds of groups have been heavily involved in pushing gender ideology. Probably both because of the nature of their own sexual interests, as well as their theoretical views around things like the age of consent and teen sexuality.

So it's of interest I think to see a concrete example of someone involved in adolescent psychiatric care at a clinic where their understanding of boundaries has seemed so poor.

Bucket07 · 02/10/2024 18:29

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 02/10/2024 18:25

I know. I've made the same points as you have.

Ah yes, my apologies!

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 02/10/2024 18:25

Bucket07 · 02/10/2024 18:23

Obviously it's not ok. I am trying to point out that previous posters (and the OP) are making erroneous links between this man and GIDS, due to a lack of understanding of what the Tavi is (an NHS Trust, not a gender clinic).

I know. I've made the same points as you have.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 02/10/2024 18:24

I think it's a legitimate topic for discussion here because:

  • this is a site predominantly for mothers so of course we're concerned about harm coming to children
  • this is behaviour far more often seen in men and boys than women and girls.
Bucket07 · 02/10/2024 18:23

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 02/10/2024 18:20

An HCP who is sexually attracted to minors should absolutely not be working in CAMHS. Shouldn't be working in any HCP post, obviously, but especially not CAMHS. Are there any recorded cases of female HCPs doing anything similar?

Obviously it's not ok. I am trying to point out that previous posters (and the OP) are making erroneous links between this man and GIDS, due to a lack of understanding of what the Tavi is (an NHS Trust, not a gender clinic).

Devilsmommy · 02/10/2024 18:22

Bucket07 · 02/10/2024 18:15

No he didn't. There are many services at the Tavi. GIDS is one but he worked in CAMHS. Nothing to do with trans kids at all.

Oh my god why are you going on about it? If you don't want to read in on the feminism board just start your own thread on chat ffs

Blanketyre · 02/10/2024 18:21

popeydokey · 02/10/2024 18:11

It is understood he did not treat patients at the hospital's controversial gender clinic.

Literally in the link in the OP.
But you know better, yeah?

Sorry, I mean he worked at the Tavistock where they also work with trans kids.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 02/10/2024 18:20

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 02/10/2024 18:15

One of the things that makes me sad about the GIDS debacle is that it's besmirched the Tavistock's name. The Tavistock and Portman NHS Trust is a mental health trust which used to be best known as a brilliant place to study child psychology and psychotherapy. GIDS was just one clinic amongst many.

Yes. I did a fantastic course with the Tavistock decades ago that taught me so much (as a teacher) about child psychology. It's an absolute tragedy for them - and this case is of course appalling.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 02/10/2024 18:20

Bucket07 · 02/10/2024 18:15

No he didn't. There are many services at the Tavi. GIDS is one but he worked in CAMHS. Nothing to do with trans kids at all.

An HCP who is sexually attracted to minors should absolutely not be working in CAMHS. Shouldn't be working in any HCP post, obviously, but especially not CAMHS. Are there any recorded cases of female HCPs doing anything similar?

llamalines · 02/10/2024 18:20

It took me so long to write my post, a couple of others have made the same point, and more succinctly!

llamalines · 02/10/2024 18:19

ArabellaScott · 02/10/2024 18:03

Because lots of feminists care about child safeguarding. And because he worked at the 'gender' clinic, the Tavistock. This is the 'sex and gender' board.

I think we need to be careful to get all the facts here.

The Tavistock isn't "the gender clinic".

The Tavistock and Portman is the NHS trust which oversees GIDS (the gender clinic). Its "our services" page mentions over 30 services, of which GIDS is just one.

Others services are for couples, young people, children needing autism assessment, fostered and adopted children, asylum seekers, drug users and alcoholics, people with psychosis, people with personality disorders, young people suffering mental health issues etc etc.

So, while it's shocking and extremely concerning that a Tavistock lead psychologist is a paedophile, it only begs the question "how much did he have to do with the gender clinic" - and I don't think we know that yet, do we?

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 02/10/2024 18:15

One of the things that makes me sad about the GIDS debacle is that it's besmirched the Tavistock's name. The Tavistock and Portman NHS Trust is a mental health trust which used to be best known as a brilliant place to study child psychology and psychotherapy. GIDS was just one clinic amongst many.

Bucket07 · 02/10/2024 18:15

eurochick · 02/10/2024 18:13

This is the Sex and gender board. The main London gender clinic was at the Tavistock (until it was closed), where this person worked.

No he didn't. There are many services at the Tavi. GIDS is one but he worked in CAMHS. Nothing to do with trans kids at all.

eurochick · 02/10/2024 18:13

Bucket07 · 02/10/2024 17:40

Why is this posted on the Feminism board?

This is the Sex and gender board. The main London gender clinic was at the Tavistock (until it was closed), where this person worked.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 02/10/2024 18:12

It says in the DM article he didn't work at GIDS. He has a hearing tomorrow about his fitness to practise. https://www.hcpts-uk.org/hearings/hearings/2024/october/rosario-canade/

HCPTS -

https://www.hcpts-uk.org/hearings/hearings/2024/october/rosario-canade

popeydokey · 02/10/2024 18:11

Blanketyre · 02/10/2024 18:07

I agree, but it's because he worked at the Tavistock with trans kids.

It is understood he did not treat patients at the hospital's controversial gender clinic.

Literally in the link in the OP.
But you know better, yeah?

MarkWithaC · 02/10/2024 18:08

Obviously he and his actions are despicable, but pps are right: he didn't work at the gender clinic.

Myalternate · 02/10/2024 18:08

Bucket07 · 02/10/2024 18:01

No I really don't? I am genuinely curious, it seems to be more of a public interest story so could be in Chat?

Can’t it be in both? Are we restricted with which topics can be posted on here?
It is a public interest article and the more it’s spread the more the general public will be aware of exactly who these people are.

Blanketyre · 02/10/2024 18:07

Bucket07 · 02/10/2024 18:01

No I really don't? I am genuinely curious, it seems to be more of a public interest story so could be in Chat?

I agree, but it's because he worked at the Tavistock with trans kids.

popeydokey · 02/10/2024 18:07

Back to the OP (derailing chat about "what the feminism boards are like" tends to be Not In The Spirit as we've spent years dealing with the same derailing), it is pretty shocking that, although he was rightly sacked from the Tavi, he could potentially get a similar job with kids?

What is the likelihood that employers wouldn't know or would overlook it?

ArabellaScott · 02/10/2024 18:03

Because lots of feminists care about child safeguarding. And because he worked at the 'gender' clinic, the Tavistock. This is the 'sex and gender' board.

Bucket07 · 02/10/2024 18:01

Blanketyre · 02/10/2024 17:57

You know why.

No I really don't? I am genuinely curious, it seems to be more of a public interest story so could be in Chat?