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Tavistock Lead Psychologist is a Paedophile

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AndSoFinally · 02/10/2024 17:25

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13914025/amp/Psychologist-works-Tavistock-clinic-remains-FREE-practice-despite-caught-grooming-schoolboy.html

Well, colour me surprised

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since1986 · 03/10/2024 06:07

Bucket07 · 02/10/2024 18:15

No he didn't. There are many services at the Tavi. GIDS is one but he worked in CAMHS. Nothing to do with trans kids at all.

You dont think many of the gender clinic referalls possibly came by way of encouragement from cahms... just possibly 🙄

GuestFeatu · 03/10/2024 05:43

eurochick · 02/10/2024 18:13

This is the Sex and gender board. The main London gender clinic was at the Tavistock (until it was closed), where this person worked.

The Tavistock gender clinic hasn't closed yet

ArabellaScott · 03/10/2024 05:36

Aroastdinnerisnotahumanright · 03/10/2024 02:53

It's on the feminism board because having a safe space to discuss whatever they like is a feminist issue, full stop.

It feels like every day there's some new pedophile or fetishist "revelation" 🙄

Excellent point, thank you.

ArabellaScott · 03/10/2024 05:36

TempestTost · 03/10/2024 00:45

But you are right of course, there are people who abuse kids who aren't especially attracted to them, they would abuse an adult who was vulnerable too. It's either about interest in vulnerability, or access.

Power differential. It's also about being able to wield and misuse power.

Aroastdinnerisnotahumanright · 03/10/2024 02:53

It's on the feminism board because having a safe space to discuss whatever they like is a feminist issue, full stop.

It feels like every day there's some new pedophile or fetishist "revelation" 🙄

NoBinturongsHereMate · 03/10/2024 01:58

BonfireLady · 02/10/2024 21:01

Thank you for sharing the article, OP. Pretty shocking stuff - and also, sadly, not so much.

Even though he wasn't at GIDS, this autism link makes the story particularly interesting from a Sex and Gender board perspective. The consistent conflation of gender identity and autism is proving pivotal in a lot of what has been happening. Having someone in such an important role with connections to autism and proximity to GIDS is quite the red flag.

The defence that was put forward for him is desperate, to say the least:

Archie Manby, defending, said Canade had been working in 'an incredibly high pressure environment' within the NHS as a clinical psychologist but had now lost his employment and good character.
He said: 'He had patients, who he had been working with for some considerable time - their therapy with Mr Canade had to be immediate terminated.' The court heard that some of his patients had provided testimonials on his behalf.
Mr Manby said Canade had previously had therapy, having struggled with his own mental health, and was undergoing further treatment.

If I'm understanding this correctly, the poor doctor only became minor-attracted (is that the phrase I can use here? 🤞) because he was so stressed and struggling with his own mental health... and now his child patients will have to find a non-minor-attracted doctor instead. Erm.

As excuses go, it makes 'the dog ate my homework' or 'I ran over myself while reversing because I'd eaten too many baked potatoes' look like works of genius.

TempestTost · 03/10/2024 00:45

But you are right of course, there are people who abuse kids who aren't especially attracted to them, they would abuse an adult who was vulnerable too. It's either about interest in vulnerability, or access.

TempestTost · 03/10/2024 00:43

MarieDeGournay · 02/10/2024 21:18

TempestTost Strictly speaking, this guy does not seem to be a peadophile, he seems to be attracted to teens, which is a different thing. And it's also worth noting that this kind of liaison between teen and older gay men used to be an accepted feature in much of the gay community, and there are still groups within the community who see that as ok. More so than people ok with liaisons with children which seems to be a much smaller group. If you've ever looked at a thread here talking about this kind of hook up, there is a really surprising number of people who defend it as a "normal gay thing".

The 'child' [actually a decoy] he arranged to have sex with presented as a 15-year-old. That's legally a child, and a very young teen, if he's attracted to 'teens'. That's at the child end of the definition of 'teen', if you ask me.

I agree with you about the blanket use of the the term paedophile - it implies someone who is primarily sexually interested in children [I'd include 15-year-olds in that, BTW] whereas many men who abuse children do so simply because children are easier to get at and control than adults. They often have relationships with adult women as well. That's true of most abusers I've encountered, including the one who abused me when I was a child.

So whether or not Canade is a 'paedophile', or whether he just finds children easier to access and control, he is an abuser.

I mean, 15 is pretty much right in the middle of the teenage years?

The distinction from the perspective of psychiatry between a pedophile and someone attracted to teens is based not around the legal definition of a child, but around puberty - a teen is in the midst of acquiring adult sexual characteristics, has sexual interests of his or her own, and is likely fertile.

It's not a legal distinction or term.

TempestTost · 03/10/2024 00:34

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 02/10/2024 18:48

I think we could say that if guys like this are working within a larger organization which deals with children and young people, it raises questions about the overall beliefs and decisions being made or seen as acceptable in the clinic.

That's a bit of a stretch. There are nearly 1000 people working at that Trust. If recent history teaches us anything it's that paedophiles can turn up in any walk of life.

It could be a stretch, except we seem to see so much of this kind of thinking throughout youth psychiatric care, and in particular in gender related care.

As in, it seems to be completely endemic.

Lots of us have asked where these attitudes are coming from. Well, maybe it is guys like this getting themselves into leadership positions in these kinds of institutions.

MarieDeGournay · 02/10/2024 21:18

TempestTost Strictly speaking, this guy does not seem to be a peadophile, he seems to be attracted to teens, which is a different thing. And it's also worth noting that this kind of liaison between teen and older gay men used to be an accepted feature in much of the gay community, and there are still groups within the community who see that as ok. More so than people ok with liaisons with children which seems to be a much smaller group. If you've ever looked at a thread here talking about this kind of hook up, there is a really surprising number of people who defend it as a "normal gay thing".

The 'child' [actually a decoy] he arranged to have sex with presented as a 15-year-old. That's legally a child, and a very young teen, if he's attracted to 'teens'. That's at the child end of the definition of 'teen', if you ask me.

I agree with you about the blanket use of the the term paedophile - it implies someone who is primarily sexually interested in children [I'd include 15-year-olds in that, BTW] whereas many men who abuse children do so simply because children are easier to get at and control than adults. They often have relationships with adult women as well. That's true of most abusers I've encountered, including the one who abused me when I was a child.

So whether or not Canade is a 'paedophile', or whether he just finds children easier to access and control, he is an abuser.

BonfireLady · 02/10/2024 21:01

ArabellaScott · 02/10/2024 17:38

https://www.rbkc.gov.uk/kb5/rbkc/fis/advice.page?id=WR6XGvAhL0M

Also part of this network:

'The Transition for Autism (and other neurodevelopmental disorders) Project (TAP) ensures that children and young people known to have complex needs by mental health services (e.g. CAMHS, NT, EIT) are linked into transition to adulthood pathways earlier. This allows appropriate assessments and support to be put in place from the age of 17, making the transfer between child and adult health services easier.'

Thank you for sharing the article, OP. Pretty shocking stuff - and also, sadly, not so much.

Even though he wasn't at GIDS, this autism link makes the story particularly interesting from a Sex and Gender board perspective. The consistent conflation of gender identity and autism is proving pivotal in a lot of what has been happening. Having someone in such an important role with connections to autism and proximity to GIDS is quite the red flag.

The defence that was put forward for him is desperate, to say the least:

Archie Manby, defending, said Canade had been working in 'an incredibly high pressure environment' within the NHS as a clinical psychologist but had now lost his employment and good character.
He said: 'He had patients, who he had been working with for some considerable time - their therapy with Mr Canade had to be immediate terminated.' The court heard that some of his patients had provided testimonials on his behalf.
Mr Manby said Canade had previously had therapy, having struggled with his own mental health, and was undergoing further treatment.

If I'm understanding this correctly, the poor doctor only became minor-attracted (is that the phrase I can use here? 🤞) because he was so stressed and struggling with his own mental health... and now his child patients will have to find a non-minor-attracted doctor instead. Erm.

ArabellaScott · 02/10/2024 20:21

MrsOvertonsWindow · 02/10/2024 19:26

And doesn't that undermine our trust in these organisations? I hate how all this undermines society. We should be confident that he's an outlier - but because of the links with GIDs people now wonder. I used to implicitly trust the NSPCC - until their reaction to the rubber fetish man. I used to respect the DfE and see them as a source of sound advice and guidance - until they took the Stonewall shilling. And as for all the teaching unions - completely captured. The list is endless and I look at all of them and wonder how could they all have thrown children and their safety under a bus in favour of genderism?

The damage done in terms of undermining ing public trust has been enormous, and I expect will not improve as it becomes clearer how badly so many institutions have been taken over.

ArabellaScott · 02/10/2024 20:19

nothingcomestonothing · 02/10/2024 19:28

The court heard that some of his patients had provided testimonials on his behalf.

This is so many kinds of wrong. Children/young people mentally ill enough to be getting therapy from CAMHS, (which is no mean feat the bar for getting help is extremely high), should absolutely not be writing in support of their therapist when he is in court for grooming a minor.

They shouldn't be asked to, if they offer it should be declined, they shouldn't be trying to speak up for or 'save' their sex offender therapist. They shouldn't be writing testimonials if he got a parking ticket, let alone sex offences against a minor!. It's a huge boundary violation for them to be in that position, the defence have no morals to be putting those testimonials forward in court. And it speaks to boundary violations within the therapy that it came about at all, whether asked for or offered.

I am so sick of people in positions of responsibility (looking at you, Sandy Brindley) using vulnerable service users to speak in their support. It's wrong.

Halle fucking lulia.

eurochick · 02/10/2024 19:33

"No he didn't. There are many services at the Tavi. GIDS is one but he worked in CAMHS. Nothing to do with trans kids at all."

What was inaccurate about what I wrote? He worked at the Tavi. I didn't say he had anything to do with trans kids. Are there any other straw men* you would like to knock down while you are at it?

*I apologise profusely if I have misgendered your straw person.

bringslight · 02/10/2024 19:29

endofthelinefinally · 02/10/2024 19:14

Is anyone surprised?

No. The people who are awake as opposed to woke are not surprised at all.

nothingcomestonothing · 02/10/2024 19:28

The court heard that some of his patients had provided testimonials on his behalf.

This is so many kinds of wrong. Children/young people mentally ill enough to be getting therapy from CAMHS, (which is no mean feat the bar for getting help is extremely high), should absolutely not be writing in support of their therapist when he is in court for grooming a minor.

They shouldn't be asked to, if they offer it should be declined, they shouldn't be trying to speak up for or 'save' their sex offender therapist. They shouldn't be writing testimonials if he got a parking ticket, let alone sex offences against a minor!. It's a huge boundary violation for them to be in that position, the defence have no morals to be putting those testimonials forward in court. And it speaks to boundary violations within the therapy that it came about at all, whether asked for or offered.

I am so sick of people in positions of responsibility (looking at you, Sandy Brindley) using vulnerable service users to speak in their support. It's wrong.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 02/10/2024 19:26

Toseland · 02/10/2024 19:15

CAMHS pushed my friend's kid into believing he was the opposite sex and pointed him towards the Tavistock.

And doesn't that undermine our trust in these organisations? I hate how all this undermines society. We should be confident that he's an outlier - but because of the links with GIDs people now wonder. I used to implicitly trust the NSPCC - until their reaction to the rubber fetish man. I used to respect the DfE and see them as a source of sound advice and guidance - until they took the Stonewall shilling. And as for all the teaching unions - completely captured. The list is endless and I look at all of them and wonder how could they all have thrown children and their safety under a bus in favour of genderism?

Soontobe60 · 02/10/2024 19:21

Bucket07 · 02/10/2024 18:15

No he didn't. There are many services at the Tavi. GIDS is one but he worked in CAMHS. Nothing to do with trans kids at all.

CAMHS is steeped in gender identity ideology though. They’re a gateway to GIDS

Toseland · 02/10/2024 19:15

Bucket07 · 02/10/2024 18:15

No he didn't. There are many services at the Tavi. GIDS is one but he worked in CAMHS. Nothing to do with trans kids at all.

CAMHS pushed my friend's kid into believing he was the opposite sex and pointed him towards the Tavistock.

DrSpartacular · 02/10/2024 19:15

He is a child psychologist who's been convicted for grooming a child and was not immediately barred from practice, a massive safeguarding fail.

Funnily enough Hmm, some of the best safeguarding info and analysis on MN is right here in this board. I expect that's why it's posted here and is relevant here.

Men's sexual violence is, and always has been, a feminist issue.

endofthelinefinally · 02/10/2024 19:14

Is anyone surprised?

Robinhair · 02/10/2024 19:12

Another one?

Toseland · 02/10/2024 19:11

We are not having this! Please will someone step in and investigate both the judge and the person or committee at the Tavistock who hired him!

LoobiJee · 02/10/2024 18:53

Oh look. His lawyer deployed the classic “but he was stressed” defence. Surprise surprise. Funny how busy jobs make men seek out children under the age of consent, isn’t it.

“Archie Manby, defending, said Canade had been working in 'an incredibly high pressure environment' within the NHS as a clinical psychologist but had now lost his employment and good character.
He said: 'He had patients, who he had been working with for some considerable time - their therapy with Mr Canade had to be immediate terminated.' The court heard that some of his patients had provided testimonials on his behalf.”

Oh and also the “but the service users at my place of work have written letters supporting me” defence.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 02/10/2024 18:48

I think we could say that if guys like this are working within a larger organization which deals with children and young people, it raises questions about the overall beliefs and decisions being made or seen as acceptable in the clinic.

That's a bit of a stretch. There are nearly 1000 people working at that Trust. If recent history teaches us anything it's that paedophiles can turn up in any walk of life.