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Tavistock Lead Psychologist is a Paedophile

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AndSoFinally · 02/10/2024 17:25

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13914025/amp/Psychologist-works-Tavistock-clinic-remains-FREE-practice-despite-caught-grooming-schoolboy.html

Well, colour me surprised

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TempestTost · 04/10/2024 10:24

PattiSmithsPattis · 03/10/2024 11:34

His mitigation is outrageous.
'My client is sorry, but his job listening to kids recounting abuse, sometimes sexual abuse, led him to agree to meet a 15 year old boy, to abuse him. But it's actually OK, because it (so far) appears he didn't sexually abuse any of the kids he counselled. But he could well have been using these kids mental health problems and diagnosis to send them to the gender reform clinic. M'lord'.

I want to read he's been struck off for a lifetime ASAP!!

I would read this as, there was basically nothing the lawyer could say, so he used the only explanation he could, which is of course utterly shit.

If he'd had something better he'd have used it.

SinnerBoy · 03/10/2024 14:27

nothingcomestonothing · Yesterday 19:28

+ + The court heard that some of his patients had provided testimonials on his behalf.... + +

I am so sick of people in positions of responsibility (looking at you, Sandy Brindley) using vulnerable service users to speak in their support. It's wrong.

That sprang to mind for me, too.

I'm rather surprised that he didn't get a prison sentence for this. There seem to be regular cases in Newcastle - often men travelling from other towns - and most of them seem to get prison sentences. He, above all people, should not be able to claim stress, or that he didn't have sufficient insight, before he acted.

It doesn't matter whether he's a paedophile, or an ephebophile - that's just semantics. He's a man who arranged to rape a child, who is under the age of consent for sexual activity.

RedToothBrush · 03/10/2024 13:56

I think the problem I have with this thread and the story is statistically the chances are that there are multiple paedos at every NHS Trust in the country.

This particular case has been picked up on because he was a lead psychologist at a particular hospital that's had a scandal involving gender identity.

Now psychology is a subject you would EXPECT people who are abusive in some way to be drawn to, so that element of the story is not a big surprise.

The REAL issue here is how many similar cases of NHS staff who have been convicted of sex offenses who are not automatically being struck off?

The only reason this case is getting the degree of attention it is, is because it's the Tavistock. So what about other hospitals? How often is this happening?

In theory this should show up on a DBS when applying for a job. But even then this doesn't necessarily stop someone practicing privately.

This should be a matter of routine.

It should make people think twice about seeing private psychologists particularly if you are vulnerable or this is for your children.

We already know that there is a problem with children being abused by private tutors.

I think there should be an awareness of this stuff.

But ultimately this story has Fuck All in any shape or form got to do with the gender clinic or indeed even the general culture of the Tavistock. We should not pretend it does. This is about a wider problem within the medical establishment which has a cavalier disregard for the safety or women and children and doesn't seem the need to strike off routinely. What does that say about governance and the misogyny of the regulatory authorities?

DaisysChains · 03/10/2024 13:18

NoBinturongsHereMate · 03/10/2024 09:08

Like the Dutch olympian who was given a very short sentence for raping a 12 year old because he would also be punished by the loss of his career. Which of course he didn't lose - the incredibly misogynistic Durch system combined with the very shorrt sentence meant he could pick up his career a year later with no consequences.

That American student too caught attacking an unconscious woman in an alleyway (was he about to do some sport scholarship or sthg?)

the number of times even possible risk of ‘harming’ a man’s career or name is touted as being ‘punishment enough’ to balance the actual proven-in-court damage to women and children’s bodies, minds and hearts is vomit-inducing

especially when victims names are regularly dragged through the mud in court and beyond and they may be left too traumatised to work at all much less back at their chosen or hoped for career

it’s so infuriating I’d like to cover billboards everywhere with a big set of justice scales and ask the public to consider if they really really think damage to man’s name that he caused himself by his own actions is equal to destroying a woman or child’s ENTIRE LIFE

😑I may have to go meditate before I break something

ArabellaScott · 03/10/2024 12:59

RedToothBrush · 03/10/2024 12:34

No he didn't.

The article says and I quote:
According to his profile on the LinkedIn website, he was the lead and 'highly specialist' psychologist at the trust. It is understood he did not treat patients at the hospital's controversial gender clinic.

Yes, I've already acknowledged that I made that mistake!

RedToothBrush · 03/10/2024 12:34

ArabellaScott · 02/10/2024 18:03

Because lots of feminists care about child safeguarding. And because he worked at the 'gender' clinic, the Tavistock. This is the 'sex and gender' board.

No he didn't.

The article says and I quote:
According to his profile on the LinkedIn website, he was the lead and 'highly specialist' psychologist at the trust. It is understood he did not treat patients at the hospital's controversial gender clinic.

Cailin66 · 03/10/2024 11:55

Am I surprised. Not one bit. These types of men hide in plain sight, often in well respected professions.

No doubt he was getting sexual kicks out of listening to teenagers in distress outlining private sexual information.

He just got unlucky, and was caught by pervert hunters. But what about the children that were prior to this boy of 15. And where is the safeguarding that let him continue in this job for so long, with access weekly to vulnerable teenagers.

Datun · 03/10/2024 11:46

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 03/10/2024 10:52

Christ.

I think those who promote the medical transition of children would do well to ask themselves why paedophiles like Ross Canade and Jacob Breslow might be interested in working for organisations which help children stop their puberty (thereby creating people who are chronologically over over the age of consent, but with the sexual and brain development of a child).

Yes. In fact one of the clinicians at GIDS claimed exactly that. He was of the opinion that one of the dads wanted treatment for his child in order to facilitate his abuse of that child.

PattiSmithsPattis · 03/10/2024 11:34

His mitigation is outrageous.
'My client is sorry, but his job listening to kids recounting abuse, sometimes sexual abuse, led him to agree to meet a 15 year old boy, to abuse him. But it's actually OK, because it (so far) appears he didn't sexually abuse any of the kids he counselled. But he could well have been using these kids mental health problems and diagnosis to send them to the gender reform clinic. M'lord'.

I want to read he's been struck off for a lifetime ASAP!!

FumingTRex · 03/10/2024 11:02

What i find particularly concerning, having read the article, is that the group didnt go after this individual, they just set up a fake profile and the person they caught just happened to be a child psychologist. You have to train for years and years to be a child psychologist, its not like a volunteering role in a church or football club that anyone can just walk into. This man presumably has had training in the impacts of sexual abuse. Its very concerning.

TempestTost · 03/10/2024 10:53

ArabellaScott · 03/10/2024 05:36

Power differential. It's also about being able to wield and misuse power.

Not always. Sometimes it's access. You can see this sometimes, particularly in cases where the abuser is also vulnerable, it's just a matter of someone who isn't in a position to really refuse, or understand what is going on, being available. Whereas someone who is an adult or aware wouldn't get into that situation at all.

The sex drive can be demanding in men,and not all have access to a sexual partner. If someone doesn't have the normal internalized social controls on their behaviour, what they do can reflect that. And people can lack those internalized controls for a lot of reasons, they are sociopathic, they have a personality disorder, they aren't mentally competent, drugs, they have been taught it's normal - or people can know something is wrong but they are weak. None of that has to come out of an interest specifically in power differentials.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 03/10/2024 10:52

Christ.

I think those who promote the medical transition of children would do well to ask themselves why paedophiles like Ross Canade and Jacob Breslow might be interested in working for organisations which help children stop their puberty (thereby creating people who are chronologically over over the age of consent, but with the sexual and brain development of a child).

lifeturnsonadime · 03/10/2024 10:46

@BonfireLady well done to you!

My daughter never identified as a boy or non binary. She was already out of school when puberty hit because she couldn't cope in the environment so I think the social contagion element passed her by (thankfully).

That didn't stop CAMHS trying to 'explore gender' with her when she presented for mental health issues associated with Autism. Their assumption was based on how she presented (not stereotypically girly).

We were able to nip it in the bud but I KNOW that many many autistic girls in our area no longer identify as girls. I do not think that this is a coincidence.

It is most likely that the mental health worker at CAMHS was just doing what they thought was 'best practice'. It does concern me that CAMHS don't see sensory issues/ social issues for what they are rather than jump to conclude that it is a gender issue.

endofthelinefinally · 03/10/2024 10:01

RoyalCorgi · 03/10/2024 09:35

Isn't it weird that some people are unable to see that the safeguarding risk that men pose to children (98% of child sex abusers are male) is a feminist issue?

I think some people just don't like women talking to each other. Especially about safeguarding. MN even banned a safeguarding expert for doing just that.

BonfireLady · 03/10/2024 09:48

lifeturnsonadime · 03/10/2024 09:15

Exactly this,

It is naive at the very least to suggest that there is no link.

CAMHS tried this with my autistic daughter too. Many many GIDS referrals came from CAMHS. They have pretty good access to vulnerable and/ or autistic kids.

The fact that he was in the same Trust makes the link even clearer.

See the Julie in Genderland podcasts for further discussions of other families who have experienced this.

This ⬆️

I'm sorry to hear that this happened in your family. I hope your daughter is doing OK now.

I have no doubt that we would have been off to GIDS too, had I not put my foot down and made the difficult decision to withhold the urgent mental health support that my daughter needed while the error (they accepted that their protocol needed changing) they brought in was on her paperwork. At no point did she ever "identify as a boy". It's been a while since I've shared it but here's what I wrote about it all:

https://www.transgendertrend.com/teenage-gender-identity-crisis/

On reflection, I was a little too upbeat about how things ended up (particularly on the school side of things) but a lot of good stuff happened afterwards in relation to CAMHS**. I met some fantastic people who really did get it. I didn't tell them how to do their jobs, I just opened up the conversation so that they could tap in to what they already knew at a professional level.

However, despite the good progress so far, I know that there will be a block somewhere (at a systemic level). What remains to be seen is a) how high up that goes and b) whether the inevitable blocking person is a Be Kind puppet type person or a nefarious actor. Either way, it's not in tin-foil hat land to assume that there are nefarious links in high up places between CAMHS and GIDS. That is why the article in the OP is relevant here.

**Some good stuff happened in relation to school too but I think it's fair to say I've now butted up against the blockers (that I knew all along were inevitable).

Teenage gender identity crisis - a parent's story

A mother writes of her autistic daughter who went through a gender identity crisis, and how she achieved a positive result in school & CAMHS.

https://www.transgendertrend.com/teenage-gender-identity-crisis

RoyalCorgi · 03/10/2024 09:35

Isn't it weird that some people are unable to see that the safeguarding risk that men pose to children (98% of child sex abusers are male) is a feminist issue?

Datun · 03/10/2024 09:31

The boy very specifically told him that he was 15. Because it was a sting operation.

I wonder if this guy thought he could employ a bit of deniability about the boys age if he got caught. Because I should imagine he is absolutely not the first.

lifeturnsonadime · 03/10/2024 09:15

Toseland · 02/10/2024 19:15

CAMHS pushed my friend's kid into believing he was the opposite sex and pointed him towards the Tavistock.

Exactly this,

It is naive at the very least to suggest that there is no link.

CAMHS tried this with my autistic daughter too. Many many GIDS referrals came from CAMHS. They have pretty good access to vulnerable and/ or autistic kids.

The fact that he was in the same Trust makes the link even clearer.

See the Julie in Genderland podcasts for further discussions of other families who have experienced this.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 03/10/2024 09:08

DaisysChains · 03/10/2024 08:38

But but but he has now lost° his employment and good character

and everyone knows a man’s job and reputation is more important than a child’s emotional, physical and mental well-being

jfc the excuses are just insufferable aren’t they?

°deliberately trashed all by himself and not passively ‘lost’ down the back of a sofa by accident

Like the Dutch olympian who was given a very short sentence for raping a 12 year old because he would also be punished by the loss of his career. Which of course he didn't lose - the incredibly misogynistic Durch system combined with the very shorrt sentence meant he could pick up his career a year later with no consequences.

borntobequiet · 03/10/2024 09:01

Soontobe60 · 02/10/2024 19:21

CAMHS is steeped in gender identity ideology though. They’re a gateway to GIDS

A close relative, an excellent and experienced child psychiatrist who worked in CAHMS for many years, was relieved to retire as he said his clinical practice had been so compromised by everything trans.

DaisysChains · 03/10/2024 08:38

GoldenSunflowers · 03/10/2024 06:20

These suspended sentences seem quite lenient.

But but but he has now lost° his employment and good character

and everyone knows a man’s job and reputation is more important than a child’s emotional, physical and mental well-being

jfc the excuses are just insufferable aren’t they?

°deliberately trashed all by himself and not passively ‘lost’ down the back of a sofa by accident

Brainworm · 03/10/2024 07:19

Guest, the clinic for children and young people closed last year. The adult service is still open, but is being relocated out of the main building this month- but remaining open.

ApocalipstickNow · 03/10/2024 06:35

TempestTost · 03/10/2024 00:45

But you are right of course, there are people who abuse kids who aren't especially attracted to them, they would abuse an adult who was vulnerable too. It's either about interest in vulnerability, or access.

This and Marie’s comments before it are excellent points that people often don’t realise.

GoldenSunflowers · 03/10/2024 06:20

These suspended sentences seem quite lenient.

GoldenSunflowers · 03/10/2024 06:18

MrsOvertonsWindow · 02/10/2024 18:20

Yes. I did a fantastic course with the Tavistock decades ago that taught me so much (as a teacher) about child psychology. It's an absolute tragedy for them - and this case is of course appalling.

Edited

I did a course there as well, about 20 years ago. It was in a very specific statistical technique.