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Newson Health and the menopause industry

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ArabellaScott · 30/09/2024 07:34

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp8e5y4e83lo

Keeping an eye on this. Newson makes an awful lot of money out of HRT.

Dr Louise Newson looking at the camera - she has a jaw-length bob with a long fringe, which is a red/gold colour. She is wearing a patterned silk blouse and is wearing pink lipstick. She is wearing earphones as the shot was taken from a Zoom call. Behi...

Louise Newson: TV menopause doctor concerns probed by watchdog

Doctors and patients question the prescribing of high HRT doses by Dr Louise Newson and her clinics.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp8e5y4e83lo

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Fraudornot · 05/10/2024 22:58

Azaleah · 05/10/2024 22:55

"The fall in oestrogen causes most of the symptoms of menopause." I disagree, the most symptomatic phase is perimenopause when oestrogen levels fluctuate.

Moreover, this "advice" is for women with a previous heart condition. Each case is different, every generalisation is dangerous.

No it’s not

Azaleah · 05/10/2024 22:55

"The fall in oestrogen causes most of the symptoms of menopause." I disagree, the most symptomatic phase is perimenopause when oestrogen levels fluctuate.

Moreover, this "advice" is for women with a previous heart condition. Each case is different, every generalisation is dangerous.

Fraudornot · 05/10/2024 22:53

Don’t know what is scaremongering here - let’s follow the science and make informed choices

Fraudornot · 05/10/2024 22:52

heart. Evidence shows that HRT should be started within 10 years of starting the menopause and before the age of 60. The earlier HRT is started, the more effective it is at protecting your heart and reducing your risk of coronary heart disease.

Fraudornot · 05/10/2024 22:46

ArabellaScott · 05/10/2024 22:05

Because menopause is a natural life stage for women and hormones change at this stage of life. This does NOT necessarily lead to osteoporosis and heart disease; please don't spread scare stories.

From the NICE guidelines you refer to:

'Osteoporosis—HRT reduces the risk of osteoporotic fracture, the
benefit being maintained while HRT is taken.'

Women will have different risk factors for osteoporosis for a range of factors.

'Cardiovascular disease--no increased risk when started under age
of 60. Appears to be a small increased risk of stroke with tablet but
not transdermal HRT but baseline risk in women under age of 60 is
very small. Studies have shown that starting HRT before the age of
60, or within 10 years of the menopause may reduce the risk
of heart disease, but evidence so far is not strong enough to
confirm this.'

(my bold).

We are breaking new ground with the age we are all living to post meno.
there is loads of evidence that there is increased cardiovascular disease and osteoporosis with the onset of the drip of hormones at menopause. I’m not scaremongering - that is the science.

Azaleah · 05/10/2024 22:43

@Fraudornot
"Why people think it's natural for hormones to reduce during menopause?"

Well, because it is what happens in natural circumstances, hence the name "natural". Not all hormones reduce during menopause, just sex hormones, and the clue is in the name. They have evolved to shape our bodies and brains for the sole purpose of reproduction, hence they are no longer needed in the same amounts after the reproductive age. But during the long evolution process they have acquired some secondary functions, and those are the ones that the HRT advocates think should keep functioning 'forever'. There's nothing wrong in trying to overcome natural processes, but the statement that without HRT a woman will have a higher probablility of having osteoporosis, dementia, heart disease, diabetes and depression (Louise Newson's words) has not been scientifically established.

Regarding NICE guidelines, can you post a link to the document that "recommends HRT with no time limit"?

Fraudornot · 05/10/2024 22:42

And I started HRt below 60 which leads to a reduced risk of cardiovascular disease

Fraudornot · 05/10/2024 22:39

Yes so HRT reduces risk of osteoporosis which leads to such a lack of quality of life as women age - I’m 60 so have seen it in the generation above me and how much pain and disability it causes

ArabellaScott · 05/10/2024 22:07

NICE guidelines link:

thebms.org.uk/publications/nice-guideline/

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ArabellaScott · 05/10/2024 22:05

Fraudornot · 05/10/2024 21:37

I’m interested why people think it is natural for hormones to reduce during menopause and therefore we should go with this. This drop leads to rapid osteoporosis and heart disease and we are living much longer in menopause than previous generations. To me HRT not only reduces the symptoms but has long term protective factors and this is backed by latest NICE guidelines. People can argue all they want about what will aide symptoms but science trumps every time for me.

Because menopause is a natural life stage for women and hormones change at this stage of life. This does NOT necessarily lead to osteoporosis and heart disease; please don't spread scare stories.

From the NICE guidelines you refer to:

'Osteoporosis—HRT reduces the risk of osteoporotic fracture, the
benefit being maintained while HRT is taken.'

Women will have different risk factors for osteoporosis for a range of factors.

'Cardiovascular disease--no increased risk when started under age
of 60. Appears to be a small increased risk of stroke with tablet but
not transdermal HRT but baseline risk in women under age of 60 is
very small. Studies have shown that starting HRT before the age of
60, or within 10 years of the menopause may reduce the risk
of heart disease, but evidence so far is not strong enough to
confirm this.'

(my bold).

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HoHoHoliday · 05/10/2024 21:50

KnottedTwine · 30/09/2024 17:22

What the BBC should be focusing on is why so many women are forced into paying £££ to private clinics for consultation and private prescriptions in the first place.

Because the average NHS GP has zero interest in menopause, zero knowledge about menopause and fobs desperate women off with antidepressants or other pointless advice. That's the real scandal.

This, absolutely this.

It took me two years of literally begging my GP to finally be prescribed HRT. When, a few months later, I wasn't sure if the dosage was right for me I went back and was told "well there isn't anything else we can do about that".
That's the NHS GP experience.

Fraudornot · 05/10/2024 21:46

I do find it shocking that someone listened to a nurses clearly uninformed decision rather than thinking for themselves

Fraudornot · 05/10/2024 21:44

And I’ve always gone into my gp with my informed choice and listened to their advice and I’m still on HRT. I’m due for another review shortly - been on 10 years - and I will do with my ideas but listen to what they have to say. Constantly thinking and making informed decisions. Not listening to a nurses opinion as stated above 🤦‍♀️

Fraudornot · 05/10/2024 21:39

For people who don’t know NICE does a thorough evaluation of all evidence and is the go to for doctors recommending treatment

Fraudornot · 05/10/2024 21:37

I’m interested why people think it is natural for hormones to reduce during menopause and therefore we should go with this. This drop leads to rapid osteoporosis and heart disease and we are living much longer in menopause than previous generations. To me HRT not only reduces the symptoms but has long term protective factors and this is backed by latest NICE guidelines. People can argue all they want about what will aide symptoms but science trumps every time for me.

Fraudornot · 05/10/2024 21:22

AstonScrapingsNameChange · 04/10/2024 20:41

This is why HRT isn't generally prescribed for the rest of your life, just for 5 years or so to get you through the fluctuations of menopause which is what causes the problematic symptoms.

But that apparently LN advocates for having HRT for as long as you like, which comes with risks (discussed upthread).

Edited for clarity

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No NICE recomends it with no time limit

Azaleah · 05/10/2024 20:34

"The GMC's external doctor has said I'm experienced enough to practise outside ­guidelines.'"

"Newson Health said its approach to care was consistent with national guidelines and that the British Menopause Society was a charity, not a regulatory body."

Do the national guidelines say that it's okay to practise outside guidelines if a "GMC's external doctor" says a fellow doctor is experienced enough? And what is a GMC's external doctor btw?

Azaleah · 05/10/2024 19:06

ArabellaScott · 05/10/2024 17:59

I'm curious that she hasn't accepted some of the criticisms made by various people and organisations, and considered that a massive company like hers is very likely to make some mistakes? She could learn from them. Instead, she accuses women of lying and claims there's a conspiracy, a witch hunt, and that people want her dead.

It's also centring all the attention on her, (good and bad) which reinforces the personality-led nature of the company.

Probably would be better to have less focus on one person. That would probably also be healthier for her, better for the company itself, and better for the women using the service.

I suspect it's a sensationalist media thing. I personally don't like the tone used by most newspapers and online news, as if the average reader is a moron. They don't write to educate or simply to inform the reader, they want to instigate intolerance and other irrational behaviours. Maybe LN and NH are short of good media advisors atm. Or maybe they're all young people who are very good at their job, but too immature when it comes to healthcare and medical/biological knowledge. Her business is centered on her personal image and her medical and menopause history, which is not what I would consider professional, but some people like it this way, maybe they feel they are being heard or treated in a more sympathetic way. It reminds me of Doc Martin, I'd like to have a doc like him, no bedside manners needed as long as you are doing your job properly.

ArabellaScott · 05/10/2024 17:59

I'm curious that she hasn't accepted some of the criticisms made by various people and organisations, and considered that a massive company like hers is very likely to make some mistakes? She could learn from them. Instead, she accuses women of lying and claims there's a conspiracy, a witch hunt, and that people want her dead.

It's also centring all the attention on her, (good and bad) which reinforces the personality-led nature of the company.

Probably would be better to have less focus on one person. That would probably also be healthier for her, better for the company itself, and better for the women using the service.

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Azaleah · 05/10/2024 17:46

One question I would like Louise Newson, her team or her patients to clarify:

If a patient is a poor absorber of transdermal oestrogen/estradiol, why keep increasing the dose instead of changing to another route, like implants or oral? All regimens have pros and cons. The transdermal route is not free of side effects, particularly if you are applying 3 patches made of strong glue every 3 days or 12 pumps of alcoholic gel daily on your skin and having to change sites frequently (that is what a patient on 300 µg of estradiol would require).

Azaleah · 05/10/2024 16:59

I agree, her response is intended to reinforce the cult-ish status that she has amongst her social media supporters and some patients who consider her a "lifesaver" because they empathyse with this emotional approach. She's a product of social media, and it's very hard to go against the wave of millions of followers. There are zillions of websites owned by doctors who claim to have answers for all sorts of health issues, and if a person wants to trust them it's their prerogative. The difference is that in the UK a private doctor like LN can prescribe a specific regimen and an NHS doctor will agree to continue prescribing it. One way of stopping this madness is to advise GPs to stop doing it. If a person trusts LN's approach let them have their treatment under LN's guidance and monitoring, not the NHS. And before anyone shoots me, I know the NHS is not perfect and that many GPs are utterly clueless on menopause, but one thing doesnt justify the other.

ArabellaScott · 05/10/2024 16:29

Azaleah · 05/10/2024 15:55

Not to mention that it's utterly arrogant to say that "after reviewing those papers I knew..." as if she was a scientist trained and educated in Biology to be able to review and know anything about physiology, pharmacology, pharmacokinetics and pharmacodynamics.

It's emotive, persuasive language rather than the neutral tone one expects from a medical professional.

Reading that interview it seems to be a feature - she's then creating strawman arguments suggesting people want her dead or in an asylum - appeal to emotions.

Of course nobody wants her dead. She may well have had some positive impacts for some people, hyperbole like that doesn't actually help her case.

But women deserve care based on the best available evidence, and to be treated like adults, not sold 'cure all' products based on emotional reasoning.

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