Why do all trans discussions end in a bun fight?

No that’s true but Red had assumed that the OP herself was suggesting her DDs hobbies and interests were ‘male’ and told the OP that this was disgusting. In fact, the OP was commenting themselves how upsetting it was that others (teachers? Online?) had labelled her DDs hobbies as ‘male’. It is upsetting that we’ve regressed so bloody much and lost so much ground.

@Name5 the answer is that not everything has to end in a bun fight and many, many posters agree on the basic concerns about the harm that gender ideology does to young people. Including yourself. There can be, however, a fair amount of misunderstanding on a chat thread when one poster refers to the preceding comment and not everyone wants to RTT.

FWR is a robust place and, IMO, that’s largely a good thing as it forces me, in any event, to clarify and defend my thinking and points of argument. FWIW, it sounds as though your DD is moving away from her identifying as male. Certainly no one would wish you to bully her! That doesn’t get a parent anywhere positive. It is difficult to discuss the reality of how sex matters with young adult DC who are indoctrinated in the GI. Speaking personally. Generally we agree not to discuss the topic.

Edited to add that @MarieDeGournay you might have missed where it was implied that the OP was labelling her DDs hobbies and interests as ‘male’, thus contributing to the problem. This was an unfair characterisation and the OP had grounds for being upset. It’s better when posters calmly refute the misunderstanding (I’ve been impressed by FWRs posters able to do this), but not everyone can do this on an emotional topic.

I'm quoting myself, to suggest that the OP should perhaps have left while she was ahead - at the point I wrote this post, there had been a range of posts that were informative, helpful and supportive, or general discussions of the issues, not directed at the OP or her DD.

The OP even posted that she was leaving the thread:
Name5 · Yesterday 15:42
Thank you for all the posts. I am going to leave the thread now.

But oh look! the OP's back, calling other posters abusive and reporting them.
Determined to have that bun fight, eh?

Describing humans in terms of male or female traits/interests in relation to them having gender identities while on a feminist board is going to get negative reactions. Because it is incongruent with feminism.

Says someone who starts a thread to scold posters on FWR based on stereotypes.

Telling you that it's sexist and belongs in the Victorian era to suggest some activities and likes are "male traits" is not abusive. And this is why threads end badly - because anyone defending sexism, misogyny and homophobia becomes upset and accuses others of poor behaviour.

If what you wanted was a thread for TRAs you should go to reddit.

OP there will be a lot of projection here there always is on MN. You haven't said tons on this thread about your daughter (totally your right) so people will be talking more generally.

I would still find it pretty sexist for someone to demonstrate so openly that they think there are traits and interests incompatible with being female but in reality if she's respectful and somewhat thoughtful I'd probably see her as getting muddled by the people (online, wherever) who are deliberately confusing people with the "be kind" and "cis folks" and "right side of history".

OP, people speaking bluntly is not abusive.

I'm not angry or abusive, just a bit baffled by the way the young generation have framed their attention-seeking behavior this way. Online influencers, obviously. Stuff from Japan, yes, people who are still, 50 years on, under the influence of PIE, yes. Nothing good for women or children.

Women with short hair wearing trousers and calling themselves John rather than Jane have been around and regarded as run-of-the-mill for at least a century. Pre WW1 they would have been seen as odd, after that not so much. Some of them were lesbians (also quite usual, and never illegal), others not.

The thing that puzzles me is why that is regarded as being anything to do with 'gender' or 'trans'. As I said on another thread lately, do people not read books any more?

It's all a bit 'I'm mad, me!' which is always very dull.

Asked for help? Like a wat?

Is this like a tally system? Not that I can even recall such a thing on a personal level. More widely on a 'it will help a bunch of people' yes.

That's deeply manipulative to suggest I somehow 'owe' you.

I most definitely do not.

You are the one ating me and posting offensive stuff about 'male traits'. It's gross sexism. I am not being abusive. Your intentions were clear from the start.

Good day to you.

Why on earth did you start a thread here instead of LGBT children?

That's bloody rich.

Like I say you started this thread to start a fight.

I'd put money on it.

speaks Japanese

Is she into Manga? There does seem to be a link between transactivists and the hypersexualised presentation of women and girls in manga. (Without even needing to consider Hentai)

I'm so tired of the sexist crap about "this is for girls" and "this is for boys".
Are we fucking Victorians???

I remember the 70s when my mother could not withdraw cash from a joint bank account without my father's permission.

Are all the kids now really that stupid that they think going back to shit like that is desirable? Never has a generation put so much effort into achieving so little. I despair.

My mum could accurately sex baby birds. Maybe she would be useful in your search for Dean

If I am going to employ a bird to lay eggs for me I am most definitely going to assume its sex, and if she starts assuming a gender identity and doing that crowing nonsense linked to upthread, steps will be taken. No affirmative actions. None. At all.

>She is not causing any discord to anyone.

Actually for girls who have to share classes with gender distressed girls who are obsessed with discussing their pronouns, strapping their breasts down, fixating on themselves constantly and how they hate their bodies... it can be harmful.

Very harmful.