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Why do all trans discussions end in a bun fight?

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Name5 · 27/09/2024 18:53

I have a natal daughter who is a young adult. I try to keep an open dialogue with her as her thoughts are changing as she gets older.
She is not causing any discord to anyone. I try to help when desparate parents ask simple questions about their LGBTQ DC ( this week it was about getting a job). Within a few hours there are big fights re toilets and rape crisis centres. Yes these things are horrifying but every bloody thread gets high jacked with these points of law. There should be a subject category for parents of adult trans people. This would allow issues to be discussed without the OP being subjected to accusations of ideology or affirmation. I don't believe my DD is better as a male persona but I can't and won't bully her to accept my feelings override hers. She's still my DC and all subjects are open to reasonable and lawful discussion. MNHQ can you please list a new category so people don't feel attacked and bullied?

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ArabellaScott · 27/09/2024 20:56

Also: I'm sorry your DD is struggling, it must be very hard. I hope she finds a way through.

ArabellaScott · 27/09/2024 20:54

Name5 · 27/09/2024 18:53

I have a natal daughter who is a young adult. I try to keep an open dialogue with her as her thoughts are changing as she gets older.
She is not causing any discord to anyone. I try to help when desparate parents ask simple questions about their LGBTQ DC ( this week it was about getting a job). Within a few hours there are big fights re toilets and rape crisis centres. Yes these things are horrifying but every bloody thread gets high jacked with these points of law. There should be a subject category for parents of adult trans people. This would allow issues to be discussed without the OP being subjected to accusations of ideology or affirmation. I don't believe my DD is better as a male persona but I can't and won't bully her to accept my feelings override hers. She's still my DC and all subjects are open to reasonable and lawful discussion. MNHQ can you please list a new category so people don't feel attacked and bullied?

Try 'Site stuff'. Nobody here can create a new board for you and MN only read posts/threads if they are reported.

Hoardasurass · 27/09/2024 20:50

murasaki · 27/09/2024 20:36

What actually happened is that most people told you that if your daughter walks into an interview and announces themselves as a card carrying ideologist, people will endeavour not to hire her.

I saw that thread on AIBU most posters were honest about the fact that anyone going into an interview espousing irrelevant personal beliefs of any kind, especially controversial ones that can be particularly divisive is going to be viewed as "not a team player" and aa such won't get hired.
Why that thread in AIBU has caused @Name5 to come over to the feminism board to lecture us over people's honest opinions and truthful answers to her question is a mystery though

Awfeck · 27/09/2024 20:46

I think op has gone through a lot with her child, I've seen previous threads, and I wouldn't like to deal with it.

It must be so, so difficult as you must want to be there for your own child no matter what.

That said, you can't expect strangers on the internet to feel the same, and certainly not the women on these boards. You won't know what they've dealt with either.

Why don't you ask on Site Stuff for a new category if you need one.

murasaki · 27/09/2024 20:36

What actually happened is that most people told you that if your daughter walks into an interview and announces themselves as a card carrying ideologist, people will endeavour not to hire her.

BuriedInTheBackYard · 27/09/2024 20:30

Why are you posting about this in Feminism?

hmmmm

Screamingabdabz · 27/09/2024 20:27

“I don't believe my DD is better as a male persona but I can't and won't bully her to accept my feelings override hers.”

See, I can help you there…She is still your dd. The ‘male persona’ is a fiction. People can’t change sex. All facts, not feelings. HTH

MrsTerryPratchett · 27/09/2024 20:20

It's a bun fight because it speaks to people's core values and core values are what we defend the hardest.

On the FWR board, the core value is feminism.

Toseland · 27/09/2024 20:17

Hold on, you've come to the Feminism and Women's Rights board and are expecting us to not discuss and full-on argue out issues with toilets and rape crisis centres?! Discussing in the wrong way? Should we be kinder perhaps?!
"Yes these things are horrifying but every bloody thread gets high jacked with these points of law."
Don't demean "these things" - they are not "bun fights" or "trans discussions". These are our hills we are all fighting for and dying on!
"There should be a subject category for parents of adult trans people."
Then why don't you find or create one? Off you pop.
"but I can't and won't bully her to accept my feelings override hers."
Bully her? Your feelings? Just stick to basic facts!

PatatiPatatras · 27/09/2024 19:39

>She is not causing any discord to anyone.

This is your belief. My daughter who has a short haired Charlie in her year would vehemently disagree with you by what I've overheard in her friend chatter.

So yes the other parents, like me, will pipe up with the reactions of the "other" kids to challenge this blanket assumption.

So yes it isn't going to be without friction... and if mumsnet ran a "safe space " then women would have no space to challenge anything. Safe spaces spread like a virus.

I prefer the best of vipers. Sometimes I do get bit. And sometimes there's a frenzy and I forget who I'm biting and why. But I do like that it's not a hive mind.

But most of us stay here... so you should have an easier ride on the other boards... maybe. But you can't demand it. You're not entitled to an easier ride. No one is really...

Long... maybe I'd been thinking about this too.

Name5 · 27/09/2024 19:02

Thank you.

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Ohfuckrucksack · 27/09/2024 19:01

There's also 'parents of adult children'

Name5 · 27/09/2024 19:00

@Ohfuckrucksack thank you but it is for children.

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Ohfuckrucksack · 27/09/2024 18:59

Just to confirm there is a LGBT board within 'being a parent' which seems to be what you are looking for.

Ohfuckrucksack · 27/09/2024 18:58

You don't need a new category.

But also this is a public forum. You cannot demand that people agree with you - you need to accept all points of view as long as they are not deemed offensive.

I believe there is a 'parents of LGBTQ' board that might work for you.

But Feminism, Sex and Gender - that's telling you what it is.