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ArabellaScott · 25/09/2024 12:00

AstonScrapingsNameChange · 25/09/2024 11:40

Good, and it shows up self ID for the inconsistent illogical nonsense that it is.

This recognises some relevance to sex in law which can only be a good thing.

It's a start. But while any person is able to claim and be recognised as the opposite sex all areas of pertinent law are going to be unclear and unworkable.

hamstersarse · 25/09/2024 11:58

These people are so stupid

So deplorably stupid

ArabellaScott · 25/09/2024 11:57

I assume a rapist with a GRC will still be classed as a 'woman'.

Will a transman who rapes with a surgically constructed 'penis' be classed as a man? Will a GRC affect that?

This whole shitshow is impossible to navigate, because words are supposed to hold both their previous logical meaning and concurrently their new, opposite meaning.

AstonScrapingsNameChange · 25/09/2024 11:56

Donkeyfromshrek · 25/09/2024 11:51

This makes no sense. Surely self ID is not the issue. People can ID how they like, its just if they are male criminals, they need to do it in a male prison.

It's also about having correct statistics - not recording crimes committed by men, which are usually violent/ sexual, as being committed by women.

Sex and gender ID should be recorded separately.

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RadicalisedPastThePointOfSalvation · 25/09/2024 11:56

Chersfrozenface · 25/09/2024 11:43

And murderers? Those convicted of violent offences? Those convicted of child sex offences that don't include rape? Will they still be allowed to self-identify as women? And have their crimes recorded as women's crimes?

Because the justification in this case is that "you can only commit that crime [rape] as a man". Not a justification available in the above cases.

Yes this should be the next step - no male charged with a crime should be recorded as anything other than male.

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ArabellaScott · 25/09/2024 11:54

Oh, there is this, though:

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/asp/2009/9/section/1#section-1-4

'In this Act—

“penis” includes a surgically constructed penis if it forms part of A, having been created in the course of surgical treatment, and

“vagina” includes—

(a)the vulva, and

(b)a surgically constructed vagina (together with any surgically constructed vulva), if it forms part of B, having been created in the course of such treatment.'

Sexual Offences (Scotland) Act 2009

An Act of the Scottish Parliament to make new provision about sexual offences, and for connected purposes.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/asp/2009/9/section/1#section-1-4

ArabellaScott · 25/09/2024 11:53

Good.

Worth watching to see who is upset about this. Those who are 'willing to die on rapist hill' are the most extreme trans activists.

PaininthePreferbial · 25/09/2024 11:51

Angorarabbits · 25/09/2024 11:50

Only the ones who have been caught.

Indeed.

Donkeyfromshrek · 25/09/2024 11:51

This makes no sense. Surely self ID is not the issue. People can ID how they like, its just if they are male criminals, they need to do it in a male prison.

Angorarabbits · 25/09/2024 11:50

Only the ones who have been caught.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/09/2024 11:48

This will be tested within the year, I predict.

Glamourreader · 25/09/2024 11:46

No one should be self IDing as the opposite sex, it's a nonsense. What sex someone is is factual.

Chersfrozenface · 25/09/2024 11:43

And murderers? Those convicted of violent offences? Those convicted of child sex offences that don't include rape? Will they still be allowed to self-identify as women? And have their crimes recorded as women's crimes?

Because the justification in this case is that "you can only commit that crime [rape] as a man". Not a justification available in the above cases.

turbonerd · 25/09/2024 11:42

Good.

But what if they self id as a non-rapist?

AstonScrapingsNameChange · 25/09/2024 11:40

Good, and it shows up self ID for the inconsistent illogical nonsense that it is.

This recognises some relevance to sex in law which can only be a good thing.