Rapists will be banned from self-IDing as women in Scotland

Plus, "You can only commit that crime as a man"...

because...?

They're going to have to explain what it is about that crime that makes the person committing it a man

😂😂😂 totally!

Crystal clear. I'm sure that every polis in the land is fully conversant in the differences between a transman with a surgically constructed penis who identifies as a man, a transwoman with a GRC who has a penis and identifies as a woman, a transwoman without a GRC who has no penis and identifies as a woman, a transwoman without a GRC who has a penis and identifies as a woman, a man with no penis and a GRC who identifies as a woman, a transman with no penis who identifies as a man but has no GRC ... and so on.

That's stated in the story, regarding those convicted of rape -
"You can only commit that crime as a man"...

Forgetting the "penis includes a surgically constructed penis if it forms part of A, having been created in the course of surgical treatment" (A being the perpetrator) in Scotland's very own Sexual Offences Act, as noted by @ArabellaScott.

Unless she means that transmen with a surgically constructed penis actually are men, and that biology does not apply in their case. Or isn't aware of that bit of the law.

This is going to be the crux.

Most people will say, well it's just common sense, isn't it? You don't let rapists into women's prison.

And whilst, obviously, that's entirely true, it shatters the entire ideology in one fell swoop.

Now you're not a woman because you say you are, you're a woman based on your crime.

The legal eagles are going to have an absolute field day.

I wonder if we will see a massive dip in sudden onset post-offence transition and a sudden increase in GRC applications. That would be instructive.

I'd like to know the reasoning why some men can be housed in a female prison but some men can't.

Exactly. If the powers that be are saying these people (rapists) are men and they will not be housed in a female prison then surely the fiction is over. If biological sex now counts surely it has to always count and there can be no argument for housing men with magic pieces of paper with women.

Yes, it is good news, because it's the very start of them starting to acknowledge that actually female people do have some rights, and it's not just males who have rights dependent on their special feels.

Once you confront the fact that rapists should not be allowed into women's prisons there's really no turning back, because you've conceded that the women in the prison are entitled to rights, and that means that any male in the population is revealed as unacceptable.

Men should not be allowed into women's prisons. Ever. Not with a special certificate, or special feelings, or long hair, or lipstick. Not if they are lovely, or a right laugh, or very sad.

Not if you concede that the women in prison also have rights.

We're going to get a rapist suing the prison service for letting a non sex offending man into the women's prison but not him, aren't we?

Yes, plus any males who don't have the pc of gender reassignment but do have a conviction for violence against women and/or children who fancy a spell at a nice women's prison.

Why should the rapists with GRCs get all the perks?

Great news.

And yes you'll get the non-GRC holding rapist suing because the GRC holding one gets access to vulnerable women and he doesn't.

Then you'll get every rapist in the land getting a GRC (in their lunch hour for tuppence ha'penny).

We're going to get a rapist suing the prison service for letting a non sex offending man into the women's prison but not him, aren't we?

He's going to say it's discriminatory towards rapists.

We've already had untoward towards paedophiles.

Although I'm more than delighted that rapists won't be able to access incarcerated women, this is still every bit of much of a shit show as it was before.

Although it does feel a little bit 🍿 now

Good point about rapists with a GRC.
But then who knows, as the statement from the police seems to be centred around rape being a male crime, which suggests even rapists with a GRC would be recorded as male?
But that assumes some logic....

This adds more crazy complication and legal grey areas to the whole ridiculous mess and helps reveal the madness. At some point sanity has to kick in and send us back to where we were 10 years ago.

This is good news, surely? A little chink. If rapists are to be banned from self ID-ing, surely that undermines the entire concept of self ID? This is crumbling rather better than I'd hoped.

Sorry, by the way, for starting an exact copy of this thread a few minutes ago. I did look, I just didn't see this.

Good.

And I suspect that taking ridiculously high levels of testosterone does make you more likely to commit rape (but yes, it is still a criminal choice and I don't want anyone let off because the T made me do it).

If it only applies if someone has been convicted of rape then youll still have the issues with women being asked to refer to their rapists as "she" during the whole lead up process and in court and presumably the rapist being referred to as their chosen gender until/unless convicted....how ridiculous will the press articles be "she was accused of rape and after a trial he was convicted?"

Also doesn't say anything about them not being allowed to identify as non binary or alternative....

Good point about rapists with a GRC.

But then who knows, as the statement from the police seems to be centred around rape being a male crime, which suggests even rapists with a GRC would be recorded as male?

But that assumes some logic....

Worth watching to see who is upset about this. Those who are 'willing to die on rapist hill' are the most extreme trans activists.

This.

Classic example of shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted. If they aren’t women after they rape they aren’t women before they rape. NOT difficult to understand.

cor, if only there was a really simple solution to this complete minefield our governing classes are constructing for us all....

So we can't trust a rapist's gender feels, but we can trust a murderer's/gbh-er/fraudster? USE YOUR FU**KING brain police Scotland,and in fact anyone who can't follow this blindingly obvious logical thinking to it's simple next step. I'm past giving "atta boys" out for thinking so utterly basic

This makes no sense
So they are giving men certain rights (to self ID) but not if they have been convicted of a specific crime?
How the hell is that supposed to work? Heres an idea - don't let ANY men self ID

Will a transman who rapes with a surgically constructed 'penis' be classed as a man? Will a GRC affect that?

something tells me @ArabellaScott that these numbers are vanishingly small. But it would be interesting to see if becoming a man may make you more likely to become a rapist 🤔