Rapists will be banned from self-IDing as women in Scotland

Thank you. I get it now. So if you are accused of rape then you have to turn into a man but if you shoplift you can continue to be a woman.

*Until a time that you are accused of rape and then you turn back into a man.

They have to soon. Just quietly abandon it.

Will Stonewall give up 'Acceptance without Exception' thing?

Acceptance without Exception Except for the Exceptions?

'TransWomen Are Women Except For When They Rape' or 'TWAWEFWTR' doesn't have quite the same ring to it does it?

Will Stonewall give up 'Acceptance without Exception' thing?

This is a very important question.

For all this is great news, this seems to be really ridiculous to manage. I will look forward to seeing how they make it work.

And this is just another chink crumbling away. If a group of male people can be stripped of their 'female identity privileges', then there is fuck all holding this shite together anymore.

So, a male is now a male if they are rapists, they are male still in some sports, and for the purpose of being in rape crisis centres .... all those mantras.... it is crumbling down.

It should be a criminal offence to take a tax payer funded salary and provide this much stupid in return.

Sorry, if a man who says he is a woman is accused of rape he'll be a man to the polis until I suppose if he is proven not guilty, at which point he'll presumably become a woman again.

Well, Chief Constable says that even if they are just accused of rape that makes them turn into a man.

They'll be treated as men for the investigation.

I do recommend a wee watch, it's better than Scot Squad.

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Brilliantly said but I'd phrase it convicted rapist because we don't want to loose sight of how rare it is a rapist actually gets a conviction. If they are not convicted I guess they are still a woman.

Is it the lack of rape conviction that turns a man into a woman?

I hope so.
Can't wait to see a rapist demanding access to a women's prison being all over the news.

Well as we all know, Nicola thought that alongside men and women, there was a third gender (rapist gender).

Beautifully phrased.

Apparently so.

So transwomen are women unless they are rapists in which case they are men? But the transwomen who aren't rapists are women? Is it the act of not raping (along with the magic certificate) that turns a man into a woman then?

So big question:

Will victims still be compelled to, listen to and address their alleged rapist 'she' in court?

Stable door. Bolted.

So let me get this straight. They are going to stop someone who is already self identifying as a woman from using that as an opportunity to get privileged access to women and girls from raping?

How does that actually work?

Or is it a lot of word salad nonsense?

In practice this is just saying a lot of words and does not really meaning anything because women will still feel more afraid to report an incident that has occurred relating to a rapist in a dress because they fear being blacklisted and derided as transphobic. And staff in various settings will ignore complaints because of 'inclusivity'.

Women still have no way of telling the difference between a rapist in a dress and a transwomen at any point. And nor do staff working at various places.

This is just a pretense to make it look like they are doing something when actually it's a move that has no real world practical differences except in a jail setting. And they didn't need to do this to enforce women's only anyway, because the women already had a duty of care issue relating to potential risks to them.

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/police-scotland-accused-gaslighting-after-33749070

https://www.thenational.scot/news/24608494.police-scotland-men-charged-rape-never-recorded/

'Police Scotland Chief Constable Jo Farrell ... clarified to Sky News that rapists will not be treated as women in the eyes of the law, whether they self-identify as female or not.
She said: “An individual comes into custody, and if the sex of that person is pertinent to the investigation, they will be treated – in the scenario of a rape – and we will investigate that as a man.”

So we've reached the point of only nice men who behave properly will be granted the honorific fiction of being called women? Really?

It's over then.

Either it's something any man can do, or it isn't. Either any man who IDs as a woman must be respected - whether or not he's a total rapist thug or an angel on earth - or none of them can be. It's going to be obvious discrimination otherwise.

If it's going to be withheld from some men on the grounds that they're unsafe to be in women's spaces then that's it for any men in women's spaces, you can't gatekeep at the door to check offending histories or the ones that haven't been charged yet, it's ridiculous. And it makes it clear it's a big sweet and conditional gesture of indulgence towards men, not an actual belief.

Fgs can we just get out third spaces now, say a firm NO about any men at all in women's single sex spaces ever, and withstand the meltdowns from IW, and all crack on in peace?

Maybe I'm being obtuse, but couldn't this end up 'proving' that transwomen never commit sex crimes?

Even if they go to a men's prison, we still need to disaggregate their data from the other men, because there are interesting differences.

It's Schrodinger's schlong. A penis is both male and female depending on its certification, crime, and owner's feelings, but this is not apparent until sentencing.

It makes a difference to the prison they go to

No-one official ever answers my question does a male rapist (a man who rapes other men) get put in with everyone else in prison? Or is he separate? Because a risk assessment would say he is a risk of offending in prison or getting hurt 🤔 but some countries HAVE put self id "women rapists" in with other women and rumours are flying around of attacks and being silenced in women's prison so...

Yeah, they're going to have to call these rapists a woman with a penis! Women with penises who commit rape have to go to a male prison? 🤣

And then they're gonna have to call transmen with phalloplasty, men with surgical penises?

I'm almost looking forward to the rabbit hole to end all rabbit holes

So they're acknowledging that a biologically male person with biologically male genitals is a man, but at the same time not acknowledging that a biologically male person with biologically male genitals is a man as he hasn't used his male genitals to rape?

If a "transwomen" housed in a female prison for a non-sexual crime rapes another prisoner does "she" then become "he"?

Yes. According to Scots law it's theoretically possible to commit that crime if you're a woman with a surgically created penis.

You're right,and it is: but I'm grumpy, and it's been about 6 years since i became about this identity stuff,and took about two minutes to see it was bollocks,and dangerous lying bollocks at that. And watching what I always assumed were public services that had safe guarding and people with at least basic intelligence push this crap is getting tiresome. And I know there're many on this board who've been aware,and fighting,this insulting nonsense longer than six years