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How best to answer 'What are your preferred pronouns?' in an intervew

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NancyDrawed · 23/09/2024 17:19

I have been out of the workforce for a very long time but finally have an in-person interview later this week.

The confirmation email is signed by a name followed by (he/him/his). I need to get a job. But I am trying to get my head around what I would say if I was directly asked what my preferred pronouns are.

On principle I would like to say 'I'm not a follower of that ideology so use whichever you see fit' or something along those lines, but is that likely to mean I have no chance of getting the job?

I am clearly female, so a small part of me would want to say he/him/his just to see the reaction!

It might not even come up at all, but I'd like to be prepared.

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MiriamMay · 23/09/2024 18:24

ThatFlightyTemptress · 23/09/2024 17:24

It’s like someone asking you what name you’d prefer to be called by - it’s a courtesy, just to check they are addressing you how you’d prefer. It’s not a test, so don’t be a difficult arsehole - just tell them and move on. You’ll never hear another thing about it.

It’s not a courtesy.

It an attempt to force people to take part in an ideology they want nothing to do with.

TealTraybake · 23/09/2024 18:23

“So sorry I don’t understand. What do you mean?”

gretathegremlin · 23/09/2024 18:22

At my place of work you can add your pronouns to your email signature if you wish (a few people have) but it's not compulsory. I have not added mine and nobody has ever asked me for them.

I was more bothered by the policy of stopping "Dear Sir/Madam" as "Dear (Company)" just doesn't flow. I actively need to do that, whereas pronouns are just sitting there.

Worrywater · 23/09/2024 18:22

@ditalini I completely agree with this and I've never heard a response to this argument.

Asking someone directly to state their religion or their sexuality or their disability on zoom next to their name so that everyone feels comfortable would be ridiculous and never allowed. It's private and we shouldn't be forced to declare it. Why is "gender identity" any different? Why do people need to know?

Yes people will make assumptions and use the pronouns they see fit, but luckily they'll do it behind your back. Someone calling you "he" when you identify as a "she" behind your back is nowhere near as upsetting as being forced to either out yourself or lie.

People make assumptions about many things including sexuality. If a man says they're going bowling with their other half, people will respond asking about "her" on the whole. It's the default. I see it at work all the time. An inclusive workplace would expect others to respect the fact someone is gay but they wouldn't bloody ask you to declare your sexuality as you join the Teams meeting.

According to gender ideology your gender identity works in the same way. Unless pronouns are completely optional and not pressured then workplaces are being the opposite of inclusive.

Appalonia · 23/09/2024 18:21

Personally I wouldn't want to work for an organisation that believed in this ideology. It's letting yourself in for a world of pain.

Twototwo15 · 23/09/2024 18:17

I would act confused, as anyone would have a decade or two ago before this nonsense became a thing.

BobbyBiscuits · 23/09/2024 18:17

It wouldn't come up verbally at interview I'm pretty sure. It's probably just a thing they do to try and seem 'inclusive'. I'd also imagine you could opt out of having it in your email footer etc.

But that can be discussed if/when you get the job. I certainly wouldn't put it in the forefront of my mind during the interview process.

By it's very nature, they can't choose to put a gender or pronoun there on your behalf without your consent as it's meant to be your own 'identity'.

SilenceInside · 23/09/2024 18:16

I'd just say "I'm female" and move on. If they press the issue then that tells you something useful about the workplace environment. If they do press further I'd use a response along the lines of "the usual female pronouns".

DadJoke · 23/09/2024 18:13

People refer to you in the third person. Presumably, as you are posting here, you want this to match the sex on your birth certificate. So, I am guessing, she/her.

Or, you can go full gender critical on them, say pronouns are like Rohypnol, you think trans women are men, and you will not be subjected to their gender ideology. You can then hold your arms up in an X so they know your chromosomes.

Personally, I'd just tell them what your pronouns are.

Toseland · 23/09/2024 18:13

TBH I'd think again about working there if you are asked for them. Who'd want to work in a company where they've fallen for this claptrap?
I oppose pronouns because they go against my instinct. I need my instincts for my physical safety as a woman and I don't want to be re-educated into believing men can be women.

EngineEngineNumber9 · 23/09/2024 18:12

I really wish someone would ask me as I’d love to say my pronouns are cunt/tits. If you don’t refer to me as cunt or tits you’re denying my identity.

Dibbydoos · 23/09/2024 18:12

You just need to say she/her if you want the job. Afterall, we all do things we don't fully believe in at work.

I didn't get it either, but now realise it's for clarity, so we all get it right (being sensitive to those transitioning or who don't want to be labelled by their sex ir gender).

Good luck, I hope it goes well!

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 23/09/2024 18:08

Haroldwilson · 23/09/2024 17:50

'Oh, you can call me you. I think thee and thou are a bit old fashioned, don't you?'

In reality I'd say 'I'm a she, thanks'

Never understand why you have to give two pronouns, as if anyone is she/him or he/her

Some people say they are she /they

  • even more bizarre
viques · 23/09/2024 18:08

Enoughwiththisshit · 23/09/2024 18:03

"Oh, just use whatever you think is appropriate."

Don’t say that, or you will end up as a zee or a zim or an erg or drf or some other meaningless combination of letters that means no one is any the wiser.

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 23/09/2024 18:07

NancyDrawed · 23/09/2024 17:46

I'm quite old so could feign ignorance I suppose?

It's so long since I had an interview that I am playing all sorts of scenarios through in my head and in one of them I'm asked what my preferred pronouns are, so I want to have an answer ready! It might not even come up, of course.

If you want the job I wouldn't be difficult at this stage. They might assume you are an all out bigot and think that you don't see colour and you don't believe in the patriarchy etc and decide that you might be a HR nightmare to employ - wait until you are employed to ourt your (legally protected I believe) gender critical beliefs

FlirtsWithRhinos · 23/09/2024 18:07

ThatFlightyTemptress · 23/09/2024 17:24

It’s like someone asking you what name you’d prefer to be called by - it’s a courtesy, just to check they are addressing you how you’d prefer. It’s not a test, so don’t be a difficult arsehole - just tell them and move on. You’ll never hear another thing about it.

Interesting. It's true that women not playing along when someone asks them a sexist question are often called difficult. But I'm not sure on a Feminist board that's something to be avoided. If it wasn't for difficult women we'd have no vote, not even the pretence of equal pay, marital rape would still be legal...

I get that an interview may not be the place for a Feminist stand, we all need to pay our bills, but I'd tend to the side of pitying the women who have to play along rather than calling the ones who don't "a difficult arsehole", which rather smacks of a value judgement on your part.

Anele22 · 23/09/2024 18:06

ditalini · 23/09/2024 17:36

Oh come on - of course you understand. The English language operates on the basis that people use mutually understandable shortcuts to get across an idea.

You're perfectly aware that the op understands that I and me are pronouns and that isn't what's being asked for when one is asked to perform the pronoun game.

In case you genuinely have missed it all - the purpose is to pretend that someone's physical appearance can never be used to make assumptions about the gender (because in this game, sex is irrelevant) of the person being asked the question.

It's dressed up as a simple courtesy, but in fact it's one of the statements of faith of the gender movement and indicates compliance with that faith.

👏👏👏 well explained

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 23/09/2024 18:06

All the political answers are all very well but I suspect op actually wants to get the job here so I’m not convinced it’s a good idea to come across as stroppy, pedantic, impossibly naive and out of touch or any of the many negative things that can be taken from some of these suggested answers.
If you have been out of the workplace for ages you are on the back foot. There’s a good chance you will be working with a team who are younger than you and need to show you will be able to get on with them. Added to which, it is entirely likely the people interviewing you aren’t massive TRAs but have been told by HR they have to do this, so you’re not going to endear yourself by making a thing of this. Just let them tick the box and move on. I think preferred pronouns are problematic for all kinds of reasons but giving them at a job interview is not the hill I would choose to die on.

samarrange · 23/09/2024 18:06

My preferred pronoun is "you", which is what people use when talking to me.

When I'm not there, they can call me what they like. I am trying to think of any occasion in my life when I was in the room and being talked about in the third person, without my actual name being used. Maybe when my Mum took me to the doctor when I was little.

Which suggests to me that the whole pronouns thing has been made up by the "Well, ackshually" wing of the Very Clever Men Movement.

OuterSpaceCadet · 23/09/2024 18:04

Barleysugar86 · 23/09/2024 17:48

I don't see the big deal. Just say 'she and her is fine, thank you.'

Assuming you actually want a job (and as you identify as female) why would you say anything else?

Did OP say she identified as female? I missed that.

I don't identify as female. I just am.

The distinction might not be important to you but it is to me. It's comparable to my atheism being understood only as my being an apostate/ heretic/ infidel etc. I do not wish to be forcibly defined by a belief system that I do not share.

viques · 23/09/2024 18:04

Sandysoles · 23/09/2024 18:00

Just say ‘I’m a woman’.

not say it, sing it.

“I ‘m a woman
W.O.M.A.N”

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 23/09/2024 18:04

I had an interview with an agency years and years ago when they said 'we don't like to assume so we ask absolutely everyone this, which sex do you want us to list you as' and I said female. She was very embarrassed asking me but they obviously had been trained to do that when filling in the forms.

So you could just say 'I'm female so I expect people to call me she or her'

Tbh I'm not anti having pronouns in emails as it can help you know if there's a gender neutral name like Bailey or Lesley.

Pocketfullofdogtreats · 23/09/2024 18:04

I'd say "She and her". Best to play along until you get the job. Then you can start to change things!

Enoughwiththisshit · 23/09/2024 18:03

"Oh, just use whatever you think is appropriate."

Sandysoles · 23/09/2024 18:00

Just say ‘I’m a woman’.