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How best to answer 'What are your preferred pronouns?' in an intervew

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NancyDrawed · 23/09/2024 17:19

I have been out of the workforce for a very long time but finally have an in-person interview later this week.

The confirmation email is signed by a name followed by (he/him/his). I need to get a job. But I am trying to get my head around what I would say if I was directly asked what my preferred pronouns are.

On principle I would like to say 'I'm not a follower of that ideology so use whichever you see fit' or something along those lines, but is that likely to mean I have no chance of getting the job?

I am clearly female, so a small part of me would want to say he/him/his just to see the reaction!

It might not even come up at all, but I'd like to be prepared.

OP posts:
ZwarteZwaan · 23/09/2024 18:43

ThatFlightyTemptress · 23/09/2024 17:24

It’s like someone asking you what name you’d prefer to be called by - it’s a courtesy, just to check they are addressing you how you’d prefer. It’s not a test, so don’t be a difficult arsehole - just tell them and move on. You’ll never hear another thing about it.

Difficult/arsehole should cover it.

Many of these companies are not intentionally “woke”. They’ve been institutionally captured. Especially if public sector organisations or large capitalist companies. There’s a connection.

It’s likely the person who signed off the email he/him/whatever did so without giving their brain too much thought as to what it represents. They’re following protocol, for some, they think they’re keeping ahead with the times, scared of being perceived as being left behind.

It’s pathetic really. I doubt you’ll be asked this question in real life.

I’d be tempted to go to town with it if you did get asked! They/them/ze/zir depending on the day of the week, elaborate at length on how it varies each day of the week.

Lovelylilylane · 23/09/2024 18:42

Do people remember preferred pronouns? I have enough problems with names and even faces! Throw pronouns into the mix and I’m doomed.

deargodno · 23/09/2024 18:41

Theeyeballsinthesky · 23/09/2024 18:37

🙄

As @ditalini saud

“Oh come on - of course you understand. The English language operates on the basis that people use mutually understandable shortcuts to get across an idea.
You're perfectly aware that the op understands that I and me are pronouns and that isn't what's being asked for when one is asked to perform the pronoun game.
In case you genuinely have missed it all - the purpose is to pretend that someone's physical appearance can never be used to make assumptions about the gender (because in this game, sex is irrelevant) of the person being asked the question.
It's dressed up as a simple courtesy, but in fact it's one of the statements of faith of the gender movement and indicates compliance with that”

Well, no, it's a useful descriptor.

If someone has a name that gives no information or cultural clues and it's in an email/written form then you have no idea whether Alex is male or female, unless Alex lists pronouns in their signature. You'd be mad that Alex wanted people to know that she was female, instead of people assuming they were talking to Alex a man? Why?

Barleysugar86 · 23/09/2024 18:39

OuterSpaceCadet · 23/09/2024 18:04

Did OP say she identified as female? I missed that.

I don't identify as female. I just am.

The distinction might not be important to you but it is to me. It's comparable to my atheism being understood only as my being an apostate/ heretic/ infidel etc. I do not wish to be forcibly defined by a belief system that I do not share.

OP said she is 'clearly female' so yes I'd say she identifies that way. I am a female, I identify as female, I'm never upset at confirming I would like to be called a female, even if the question feels a bit redundant.

It's a job interview, if it's important to you to say your piece have at it, but we both know they won't hire you afterwards because they will worry you would be problematic with their workforce and it will seem like you are out of touch with social norms/ expectations.

I left my last job because my boss was a narcissistic bullying tyrant, but when they ask me at interview I'll smile sweetly and say I was interested in new opportunities because that is the social script for an interview question.

Andoutcomethewolves · 23/09/2024 18:39

Oh come on, they're not going to ask that. What is the point of getting worked up about something that has not happened (and is unlikely to ever happen)?

Strawman arguments weaken the actual argument.

AhNowTed · 23/09/2024 18:39

Well if you want a potential employer to think you've potentially got a confrontational or arsey attitude, feel free to go along with some of these suggestions.

Otherwise say she/her, no further comment required.

Callipygion · 23/09/2024 18:38

SirChenjins · 23/09/2024 17:27

I/me/mine?

Are you George Harrison?

deargodno · 23/09/2024 18:38

Viewfrommyhouse · 23/09/2024 18:33

If someone is referring to me by my pronouns, they're not talking to me directly, so I genuinely couldn't care less how they refer to me.

That's fine, but you can't just decide you don't agree with parts of grammar on an ideological basis. Grammar is fact. It's like deciding you're ideologically against gravity or the number 7.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 23/09/2024 18:37

deargodno · 23/09/2024 18:31

Pronouns are a basic element of grammar, so if you aren't a "follower of that ideology," (the English language, and in fact every language?) it may be best to look for a job that doesn't require language. Maybe grunting at people would work.

Edited

🙄

As @ditalini saud

“Oh come on - of course you understand. The English language operates on the basis that people use mutually understandable shortcuts to get across an idea.
You're perfectly aware that the op understands that I and me are pronouns and that isn't what's being asked for when one is asked to perform the pronoun game.
In case you genuinely have missed it all - the purpose is to pretend that someone's physical appearance can never be used to make assumptions about the gender (because in this game, sex is irrelevant) of the person being asked the question.
It's dressed up as a simple courtesy, but in fact it's one of the statements of faith of the gender movement and indicates compliance with that”

FlirtsWithRhinos · 23/09/2024 18:36

deargodno · 23/09/2024 18:31

Pronouns are a basic element of grammar, so if you aren't a "follower of that ideology," (the English language, and in fact every language?) it may be best to look for a job that doesn't require language. Maybe grunting at people would work.

Edited

If they are just a basic element of grammar, given that English has been functioning broadly the same way for hundreds of years, why is it only recently that suddenly people need to be asked?

Is it perhaps that there's something new going on beyond that "basic element of grammar"?

Stravaig · 23/09/2024 18:35

Look puzzled: 'I'm sitting right here, you can address me directly.'

Polite fuck off: 'If you're asking how to refer to me in the third person, then I ask, do you have a problem with gossip in the workplace? I expect all conversations about me to be addressed directly to me.'

About to walk out: 'Sex-based, like my oppression' — and leave.
^ Love this one!

bathofbeans · 23/09/2024 18:34

DancingPhantomsOnTheTerrace · 23/09/2024 17:49

There is a gender neutral "mx" that people use to replace Mrs/miss/ms/mr.

I'm not really sure on the pronunciation, but I assume something like mux

Thanks for that, I've been wondering for a while.

It's awkward to pronounce isn't it? Mux Smith. It sound's like McSmith.
I wonder how many teachers are claiming to be non-binary and requesting this?

Viewfrommyhouse · 23/09/2024 18:33

deargodno · 23/09/2024 18:31

Pronouns are a basic element of grammar, so if you aren't a "follower of that ideology," (the English language, and in fact every language?) it may be best to look for a job that doesn't require language. Maybe grunting at people would work.

Edited

If someone is referring to me by my pronouns, they're not talking to me directly, so I genuinely couldn't care less how they refer to me.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 23/09/2024 18:33

DadJoke · 23/09/2024 18:13

People refer to you in the third person. Presumably, as you are posting here, you want this to match the sex on your birth certificate. So, I am guessing, she/her.

Or, you can go full gender critical on them, say pronouns are like Rohypnol, you think trans women are men, and you will not be subjected to their gender ideology. You can then hold your arms up in an X so they know your chromosomes.

Personally, I'd just tell them what your pronouns are.

Out of interest Dad, what are your pronouns? I sometimes need to refer to you when referring to your posts and I'd hate to get them wrong.

growinguptobreakingdown · 23/09/2024 18:32

I'd give them my pronouns.

deargodno · 23/09/2024 18:31

Pronouns are a basic element of grammar, so if you aren't a "follower of that ideology," (the English language, and in fact every language?) it may be best to look for a job that doesn't require language. Maybe grunting at people would work.

Viewfrommyhouse · 23/09/2024 18:31

ThatFlightyTemptress · 23/09/2024 17:24

It’s like someone asking you what name you’d prefer to be called by - it’s a courtesy, just to check they are addressing you how you’d prefer. It’s not a test, so don’t be a difficult arsehole - just tell them and move on. You’ll never hear another thing about it.

It isn't though. It's assuming that the OP subscribes to this batshit gender ideology. She's female. OP says it's fairly obvious she is. No need for anything else really.

Sskka · 23/09/2024 18:31

I’ve encountered this as the opening to an interview. I had to say “Sorry, I’d rather not. I’m not into all that.” It wasn’t a job interview as such and it felt uncomfortable, but I couldn’t have lived with myself if I’d gone along with it.

It was fine though. My position was perfectly clear and there was no rancour. The interviewer was probably just working to a script anyway.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 23/09/2024 18:31

Appalonia · 23/09/2024 18:21

Personally I wouldn't want to work for an organisation that believed in this ideology. It's letting yourself in for a world of pain.

That’s all very well in theory, but in practice most people don’t have hundreds of options available for jobs in the right area they are qualified for which match their skill set and pay a reasonable salary and are within a sensible commute, so can’t afford to perfectly match their ideology with their employer’s. Specially given that some fields, which might happen to be the thing you have trained for and love and are brilliant at, are Stonewalled across the board.

bathofbeans · 23/09/2024 18:30

That's it! Your pronoun can just be your name, unless you prefer to be referred to as the cat's mother.

beans wants this, beans said that, beans asked me to put it there, beans said it looks better like that.

I'm just going to say my preferred pronoun is my name from now on.

Does that work?

FlirtsWithRhinos · 23/09/2024 18:29

Dibbydoos · 23/09/2024 18:12

You just need to say she/her if you want the job. Afterall, we all do things we don't fully believe in at work.

I didn't get it either, but now realise it's for clarity, so we all get it right (being sensitive to those transitioning or who don't want to be labelled by their sex ir gender).

Good luck, I hope it goes well!

being sensitive to those transitioning or who don't want to be labelled by their sex ir gender

The problem is that as soon as you accept that a man can be a "she", you unavoidably redefine all women in the world from people with female bodies (a simple and unoffensive truth) to people with some sort of mental "womannyness" (a contested belief which many including me find breathtakingly offensively sexist) and falsely rewrite the history of what happened to female people because they were female into a history where these things might also have happened to male peple because they were "womanny".

So what happens if I as a female bodied person don't agree with those redefinitions being imposed on me? If I have no conflict about my sex but simply don't recognise this "womanhood of the mind" these genderists claim I must have Do I have to rename myself a they/them to free up she/her for the men who want to use it? It might be "sensitive" to them and their identity, but how exactly is it sensitive to me and mine? Why, in short, do we assume men's definition of womanhood takes precedence over women's?

CorruptedCauldron · 23/09/2024 18:28

I’d casually say ‘female pronouns are fine’ as if I’d never given the matter any thought. Non-committal but non-cultish. I would never say ‘She/her’.

EdithStourton · 23/09/2024 18:28

Chrysanthemum5 · 23/09/2024 17:53

Ah yes there are! I have a colleague who is she/her on certain days of the week and she/zim on others. And some who are she/he/they

This lines up with my argument that some people use the whole trans malarkey as a way of exerting power over others. By chopping and changing they can make you dance to their tune and complain to HR if you don't.

BlueBobble · 23/09/2024 18:27

I'd probably just say 'whichever ones you think are best' and then take it from there. I just couldn't bring myself to engage with the she/her claptrap.

Remember, an interview is a two-way process!

randoname · 23/09/2024 18:25

ThatFlightyTemptress · 23/09/2024 17:24

It’s like someone asking you what name you’d prefer to be called by - it’s a courtesy, just to check they are addressing you how you’d prefer. It’s not a test, so don’t be a difficult arsehole - just tell them and move on. You’ll never hear another thing about it.

Bollocks.
Asking someone what their preferred pronouns are is checking whether you’re a useful idiot or likely to cause trouble.
All my colleagues use them, on closer inspection most are doing so out of fear or because they haven’t thought about it.
OP I doubt they’ll ask, you have to work out whether you’d be prepared to work somewhere you can’t fly under the radar.