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How best to answer 'What are your preferred pronouns?' in an intervew

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NancyDrawed · 23/09/2024 17:19

I have been out of the workforce for a very long time but finally have an in-person interview later this week.

The confirmation email is signed by a name followed by (he/him/his). I need to get a job. But I am trying to get my head around what I would say if I was directly asked what my preferred pronouns are.

On principle I would like to say 'I'm not a follower of that ideology so use whichever you see fit' or something along those lines, but is that likely to mean I have no chance of getting the job?

I am clearly female, so a small part of me would want to say he/him/his just to see the reaction!

It might not even come up at all, but I'd like to be prepared.

OP posts:
DoloresHargreeves · 23/09/2024 19:38

If you're a woman then she / her is standard. I don't think it's weird to answer with that.

midnights92 · 23/09/2024 19:38

Theeyeballsinthesky · 23/09/2024 17:54

Guess it’s time for this again for all the “but why is it a problem?” comments

it’s because it’s normalising the idea that men can use female pronouns and vice versa and that others should be compelled to go along with it

But the OP is not a man, so she won't be asking them to do this.

SonjaBarkerFinch · 23/09/2024 19:36

ditalini · 23/09/2024 17:42

Because it could be really triggering for a trans person who hasn't come out yet - you're forcing them to either use the pronouns for the gender that they don't identify with, or out themselves before they're ready.

Not very kind. Not very inclusive. If someone wants you to use particular pronouns they can let you know.

Well let’s all start using pronouns then. I’m not about to bed over backwards and Be Kind to pander to a trans.

She/Her

saraclara · 23/09/2024 19:35

DelphiniumBlue · 23/09/2024 17:58

“I don’t feel that’s an appropriate question for a variety of reasons, I wouldn’t dream of asking you about your gender or sexuality.”

In an interview for a job you really want? I don't believe you.

OchonAgusOchonOh · 23/09/2024 19:34

deargodno · 23/09/2024 18:41

Well, no, it's a useful descriptor.

If someone has a name that gives no information or cultural clues and it's in an email/written form then you have no idea whether Alex is male or female, unless Alex lists pronouns in their signature. You'd be mad that Alex wanted people to know that she was female, instead of people assuming they were talking to Alex a man? Why?

Personally, I would think Alex was an idiot not to take advantage of her ambiguous name given the research that shows males are taken more seriously in the workplace.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 23/09/2024 19:31

CorruptedCauldron · 23/09/2024 18:28

I’d casually say ‘female pronouns are fine’ as if I’d never given the matter any thought. Non-committal but non-cultish. I would never say ‘She/her’.

Yes, this is a good answer.

OchonAgusOchonOh · 23/09/2024 19:28

deargodno · 23/09/2024 18:31

Pronouns are a basic element of grammar, so if you aren't a "follower of that ideology," (the English language, and in fact every language?) it may be best to look for a job that doesn't require language. Maybe grunting at people would work.

Edited

Pronouns are obviously not an ideology and nobody on here is suggesting they are. However, the notion of preferred pronouns is very much an ideology.

I think you know that's what posters mean when they refer to it as an ideology though...

Albatrossing · 23/09/2024 19:23

i've been asked both my gender identity and my preferred pronouns on application forms. I've never been asked directly in interview (i've had a few recently!), but i HAVE experienced having all the panel members give their pronouns while introducing themselves, with the tacit expectation that I would give mine when I introduced myself.

PrettyParrot · 23/09/2024 19:20

In reality, I would say "I really don't mind". Then, if they did look puzzled or press me on it, I'd explain my actual thinking.

A name is a label people use to pick you out, but pronouns like he/she are descriptive. If I ask you to use particular pronouns when referring to me, then I'm telling you how I want you to describe me. I find that uncomfortable and one step away from "Pretty Parrot the Great and Terrible". I'd be more interested in how you describe me without me prompting you tbh.

I hope this makes sense to someone!

bathofbeans · 23/09/2024 19:18

You could respond

'ooo, that's cool, can I choose whatever I like?'

whoamI00 · 23/09/2024 19:09

In reality, you wouldn’t be asked that question in a job interview! If a company did ask it, I’d think twice about the job.

DadJoke · 23/09/2024 19:04

Theunamedcat · 23/09/2024 18:47

I replied "ooh interesting question I've never really thought about it before" they tripped over themselves to not force me into picking an answer there and then I was mighty baffled

Did you get the job?

ZwarteZwaan · 23/09/2024 19:02

It’s not weirdly paranoid at all. The fact you’re conflating it with flat earth and 5G is kinda odd.

I absolutely would not assume anyone with she/her pronouns on their bio or email was a woman either.

deargodno · 23/09/2024 18:56

SilenceInside · 23/09/2024 18:50

@deargodno these days if I saw Alex (she/her) in an email signature I would not make any assumption at all that the person emailing me was female. Probably assume the opposite, given that they feel the need to specify. And indeed, required pronouns being given don't and cannot tell you anything about the person's sex, given that gender identity is entirely separate and not dependent on the person's sex.

Weirdly paranoid, I guess you also believe that the earth is flat and 5G caused covid.

EngineEngineNumber9 · 23/09/2024 18:54

Wouldn’t a job application ask your sex? If the sex is female, use the feminine pronouns. If the sex is male, use the masculine ones.

DadJoke · 23/09/2024 18:53

FlirtsWithRhinos · 23/09/2024 18:33

Out of interest Dad, what are your pronouns? I sometimes need to refer to you when referring to your posts and I'd hate to get them wrong.

Well, that's very courteous of you, FlirtswithRhinos! My pronouns are he/him, thank you for asking!

My experience of being referred to on this forum is not usually so wholesome.

Flatheads · 23/09/2024 18:53

Surely they can't ask, in the same way they they can't ask if you're gay/disabled/a parent?

Everlore · 23/09/2024 18:52

When I went for my first midwife appointment she asked me about my gender identity, I've been asked this before so just answered female as I couldn't be bothered having a long conversation about it. She then asked me if I was assigned female at birth. I said to my husband later that, if I was born male, I'd be a medical marvel since I'm pretty sure trans women can't get pregnant!

bifurCAT · 23/09/2024 18:52

In my head: "f&ck off!"

To the interviewer: "Thank you for your time today".

SilenceInside · 23/09/2024 18:50

@deargodno these days if I saw Alex (she/her) in an email signature I would not make any assumption at all that the person emailing me was female. Probably assume the opposite, given that they feel the need to specify. And indeed, required pronouns being given don't and cannot tell you anything about the person's sex, given that gender identity is entirely separate and not dependent on the person's sex.

Theunamedcat · 23/09/2024 18:47

I replied "ooh interesting question I've never really thought about it before" they tripped over themselves to not force me into picking an answer there and then I was mighty baffled

deargodno · 23/09/2024 18:47

But to go back to the original topic, it shouldn't be asked what your preferred pronouns are as it's considered bad etiquette to do so. It's one of those things where people mention it if they're comfortable doing so but you don't ask otherwise.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 23/09/2024 18:46

deargodno · 23/09/2024 18:41

Well, no, it's a useful descriptor.

If someone has a name that gives no information or cultural clues and it's in an email/written form then you have no idea whether Alex is male or female, unless Alex lists pronouns in their signature. You'd be mad that Alex wanted people to know that she was female, instead of people assuming they were talking to Alex a man? Why?

What on Earth difference would it make to a work related conversation whether Alex is male or female? Worst case scenario - you might get it wrong once and then say “oh sorry” and then carry on like grown ups because until this utter nonsense turned up 5 minutes ago that was what we did. Back before it was decided that “misgendering” someone was “literal violence” we just said “oh sorry I didn’t realise you were a man” and carried on as before

(in fact what research does show is that women are disadvantaged when they draw attention to their sex)

deargodno · 23/09/2024 18:45

SilenceInside · 23/09/2024 18:43

@deargodno why does it matter if Alex is male or female? How will you treat them differently once you know what sex they are?

Because I get a lot of emails addressed to "Dear sir," which is both mis-sexing and mis-gendering me. I work in a predominantly male industry. I have actually had women come up to me before and say that it's nice to have another woman in the company. They appreciate knowing, if they're new, that I'm also a woman.

SilenceInside · 23/09/2024 18:43

@deargodno why does it matter if Alex is male or female? How will you treat them differently once you know what sex they are?