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How best to answer 'What are your preferred pronouns?' in an intervew

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NancyDrawed · 23/09/2024 17:19

I have been out of the workforce for a very long time but finally have an in-person interview later this week.

The confirmation email is signed by a name followed by (he/him/his). I need to get a job. But I am trying to get my head around what I would say if I was directly asked what my preferred pronouns are.

On principle I would like to say 'I'm not a follower of that ideology so use whichever you see fit' or something along those lines, but is that likely to mean I have no chance of getting the job?

I am clearly female, so a small part of me would want to say he/him/his just to see the reaction!

It might not even come up at all, but I'd like to be prepared.

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AstonScrapingsNameChange · 25/09/2024 12:39

@tofu Yes, silence silly women, stop taxing your lady brains by examining hypothetical situations.

🙄
Again, discussing something is not the same as 'being offended' or'getting worked up' over' something. (Great bit of sexist minimising there, well done).

I thought this was a discussion board for, you know, having discussions?

But keep on minimising women's concerns, it does a great job of showing why you're really here with your faux concern.

AstonScrapingsNameChange · 25/09/2024 12:35

I can't believe this needs pointing out but saying 'this shouldn't be a question' is not the same as saying that it already has been asked.

In much the same way that when I say to my kids 'don't eat ALL the ice cream' and they reply 'I'm not'. Suggesting that something shouldn't happen in future is not to say that it definitely already is/has!

TofuTart · 25/09/2024 12:33

ElleWoods15 · 25/09/2024 12:25

It’s not. This entire thread is about a hypothetical scenario the OP has created based on one comm from the potential employer that included pronouns in the sender’s sign off.

Ssssh don't be bringing common sense into it, we're supposed to be getting worked up over something that hasn't even happened and is just a made up scenario on the off chance they might ask it because the OP thinks it might 😁

AstonScrapingsNameChange · 25/09/2024 12:32

And that poster is contributing to the OPs discussion about potential questions by stating that, in their view, this shouldn't be one.

Weren't you the one complaining about 'misrepresenting' your posts? I'm sure you'd be equally upset to realise that's what you're doing to others.

ElleWoods15 · 25/09/2024 12:25

EasternStandard · 25/09/2024 11:51

I agree with you.

It shouldn't be a question

It’s not. This entire thread is about a hypothetical scenario the OP has created based on one comm from the potential employer that included pronouns in the sender’s sign off.

EasternStandard · 25/09/2024 11:51

SirChenjins · 25/09/2024 11:50

It shouldn't - just as you shouldn't be asked for your preferred religion at interview.

I agree with you.

It shouldn't be a question

SirChenjins · 25/09/2024 11:50

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/09/2024 11:33

It isn't a question.
As it hasn't been asked.

You get that it comes up in many work scenarios, right? It's hardly outside the realm of possibility for it to come up in a job interview, is it?

It shouldn't - just as you shouldn't be asked for your preferred religion at interview.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/09/2024 11:33

Sorry meant to quote @TofuTart

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/09/2024 11:33

It isn't a question.
As it hasn't been asked.

You get that it comes up in many work scenarios, right? It's hardly outside the realm of possibility for it to come up in a job interview, is it?

AstonScrapingsNameChange · 25/09/2024 11:29

It's like playing chess with a pigeon....

TofuTart · 25/09/2024 11:29

EasternStandard · 25/09/2024 10:46

No one should be compelled to answer this

It shouldn't be a question as it's not accessible

It isn't a question.
As it hasn't been asked.
It's a hypothetical question posed by the OP who's worrying that they might be asked.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/09/2024 11:26

They cannot compute, @FlirtsWithRhinos

FlirtsWithRhinos · 25/09/2024 11:25

DadJoke · 25/09/2024 10:53

No - they are literally the same.

Gender critical ideology does not accept the existence of gender identity, so you think your pronouns are sex-based. That’s fine. They are your pronouns.

Likewise, non-gender critical people accept their gender identity, so their pronouns are based on their gender identity, In most cases, they match their sex. They are not “preferred.”

There are many more false positives for gender non-conforming cisgender people mistaken as transgender, so asking pronouns benefits them, too.

I have never heard of an employer asking pronouns at an interview, but way to invent an imaginary problem to get mad at.

No, they just seem the same to you because you are operating within a fixed belief system that constrains your ability to see different points of view. Kind of like fish having no word for water, genderists can't conceive that the words historically meant for sex could just mean, well, sex as an impartial and objective quality rather than subjective identity.

You cannot conceive that someone can acknowledge the word for a sex decribes them regardless of how the attached cultural constructs align or not to their sense of self, so for you a gender critical person still "identifies" as a woman. But that's your framing. It does not describe the experience of a gender critical woman at all.

As a gender critical woman I can simultaneously understand that I am a woman, that I am constrained by the social constructs of womanhood even though I do not identify with them, envision a world where these constructs are not forced upon me, describe the difference between the social construct , the physical sex and my sense of self and also the mechanisms through which despite being separate they intertwine and operate together through the intersectional and multi-layered power structures and conventions of society.

I feel very sorry for genderists that their fixed mindset prevents them from building the same understanding. I truly think it would give them the self knowledge and freedom that gendrism falsely promises but deliivers only a shaky sense of self that has to be constantly defended, and the false belief that they are feared and hated.

Scenicgirl · 25/09/2024 11:16

TofuTart · 25/09/2024 01:07

Yeah, that's a great response for a job interview.
They're bound to get the job with that comment.
Shows the interviewer what a catch they've got 👍
🙄😂

Edited

Obviously said tongue in cheek because that's how most people would feel if being asked this stupid question 🙄

ErrolTheDragon · 25/09/2024 11:04

No - they are literally the same.

Nope. 'Preferred pronouns' accepts that people may not always use the pronouns you might want them to.

A pronoun that doesn't fall naturally from the mouth of the speaker isn't functioning as a pronoun, it's functionally an alternative name.

DadJoke · 25/09/2024 10:53

AstonScrapingsNameChange · 25/09/2024 10:46

Indeed.

Just another fine example of making language less accessible and how the gender woo interpretation is the 'only correct' one.

Except it isn't - obviously everyone can and does have 3rd person pronouns used about them. Not everyone has 'preferred pronouns' though, myself included.

Therefore 'pronouns' does not equal 'preferred pronouns' - they are different.

No - they are literally the same.

Gender critical ideology does not accept the existence of gender identity, so you think your pronouns are sex-based. That’s fine. They are your pronouns.

Likewise, non-gender critical people accept their gender identity, so their pronouns are based on their gender identity, In most cases, they match their sex. They are not “preferred.”

There are many more false positives for gender non-conforming cisgender people mistaken as transgender, so asking pronouns benefits them, too.

I have never heard of an employer asking pronouns at an interview, but way to invent an imaginary problem to get mad at.

EasternStandard · 25/09/2024 10:46

ErrolTheDragon · 25/09/2024 10:39

Yes, it’s not “preferred pronouns” it’s just “pronouns.”

Of course it is. HmmNo need to beat about the bush, best make it clear it's fine to compel other peoples speech, discriminate against people with protected beliefs different from one's own.

No one should be compelled to answer this

It shouldn't be a question as it's not accessible

AstonScrapingsNameChange · 25/09/2024 10:46

ErrolTheDragon · 25/09/2024 10:39

Yes, it’s not “preferred pronouns” it’s just “pronouns.”

Of course it is. HmmNo need to beat about the bush, best make it clear it's fine to compel other peoples speech, discriminate against people with protected beliefs different from one's own.

Indeed.

Just another fine example of making language less accessible and how the gender woo interpretation is the 'only correct' one.

Except it isn't - obviously everyone can and does have 3rd person pronouns used about them. Not everyone has 'preferred pronouns' though, myself included.

Therefore 'pronouns' does not equal 'preferred pronouns' - they are different.

ErrolTheDragon · 25/09/2024 10:39

Yes, it’s not “preferred pronouns” it’s just “pronouns.”

Of course it is. HmmNo need to beat about the bush, best make it clear it's fine to compel other peoples speech, discriminate against people with protected beliefs different from one's own.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 25/09/2024 10:31

Changeforachange · 25/09/2024 10:24

'I have no preference' would be my reply.

All being well the pronoun person doesn't actually give a shit & is just 'being kind and inclusive'.
A manger at my place has pronouns in his email sig & he's rolled his eyes at me about inclusivity and trans something something.

It's meaningless.

Yes. At my place there's basically a clear line. Above a certain level of management they all have pronoun signatures. Below that, bar the odd junior woman who has picked it up from Linked In etc as "the right thing to do" and the odd Visibiity Network bloke who is signed up as an ally to everyone, no pronouns. It's very obvious that the senior levels havebeen told to do it to model inclusivity.

The unintended consequence of this, of course, is that it makes very visible how massively our senior levels skew to He/him. Reader, I know this may astound you, but not only are they mostly He/Hims, they are mostly AMAB he/hims. What are the chances?!?

Changeforachange · 25/09/2024 10:24

'I have no preference' would be my reply.

All being well the pronoun person doesn't actually give a shit & is just 'being kind and inclusive'.
A manger at my place has pronouns in his email sig & he's rolled his eyes at me about inclusivity and trans something something.

It's meaningless.

OchonAgusOchonOh · 25/09/2024 10:22

Brefugee · 25/09/2024 10:03

Again, especially for those who think that asking/offering your pronouns - the term "preferred pronouns" is transphobic. Stop it.

And for everyone who persists in the "it's grammar, innit" give over. It is a place holder for "are you GC or do you believe in Gender Identity"

If we would all speak in clear terms, it would be a lot better.

And it's not actually grammar as grammar has rules that include using sex to determine which pronouns to use to refer to someone so if "it's grammar innit" there is no need to ask the question.

Brefugee · 25/09/2024 10:21

i do wonder in this kind of situation (someone asking another person what their pronouns are) if the interviewee is autistic and takes everything literally. It may be very confusing or cause a lot of stress to be suddenly confronted by that.

So i think OP planning potential answers is a good idea.

OchonAgusOchonOh · 25/09/2024 10:20

MelodyMalone · 25/09/2024 09:17

I don't think there's any reason to think that. She probably won't be asked the question, but it makes sense to consider how she could respond if she was.

On another note my daughter has just started uni and one of the forms she had to fill in asked for not only gender identity (which they all do) but preferred pronouns. I've never seen it on a form before!

Exactly. The time my ds was asked the question in an interview, he would have been completely flummoxed if I hadn't warned him after seeing the email inviting him to interview that it was a potential question.

He went with He/They "for inclusivity" and got the job. He and the asian girl were the only non-pronouny people employed that year.

TofuTart · 25/09/2024 10:17

ElleWoods15 · 25/09/2024 08:15

Tbh I think it might be the best response. The interviewer can thank their stars they’ve had a lucky escape.

Exactly😁
Can just imagine the response -
"OK! Thank you for your time..."
😁

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