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How best to answer 'What are your preferred pronouns?' in an intervew

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NancyDrawed · 23/09/2024 17:19

I have been out of the workforce for a very long time but finally have an in-person interview later this week.

The confirmation email is signed by a name followed by (he/him/his). I need to get a job. But I am trying to get my head around what I would say if I was directly asked what my preferred pronouns are.

On principle I would like to say 'I'm not a follower of that ideology so use whichever you see fit' or something along those lines, but is that likely to mean I have no chance of getting the job?

I am clearly female, so a small part of me would want to say he/him/his just to see the reaction!

It might not even come up at all, but I'd like to be prepared.

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OuterSpaceCadet · 27/09/2024 14:12

DadJoke · 27/09/2024 11:08

This is so bizarre - you clearly know what your pronouns are, and yet you want the interviewer to guess! Why so coy?

You believe in gender ideology right?

If you met me and referred to me as "she" it's a term that's a hell of a lot more loaded than when I use the word "she".

When I say "she" I mean "female sex". No more and no less. It is neither compliment nor insult. But you mean "female gender id" which I not only don't possess, I also find deeply offensive in a way that touches quite serious issues that I don't wish to speak about with you.

Now I'm not for controlling other people's speech, so I'd let you call me "she" of course. But if you specifically asked me what pronouns I'd like you to use about me I'd have to say "any". To say anything else would be untrue and I don't like being coerced into lying.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 27/09/2024 12:43

DadJoke · 27/09/2024 11:08

This is so bizarre - you clearly know what your pronouns are, and yet you want the interviewer to guess! Why so coy?

What a bizarre comment! I have no idea what "my" pronouns are. I don't even know where to start working it out.

I know what sex-based pronouns woukd apply to me, obviously, because I know what physical sex I am. But clearly that's not what you mean by "your pronouns" since that explicitly excludes the cross-sex or non-sex-based pronouns used by trans people, and knowing how much importance you ascribe to trans identities I'm sure you wouldn't be meaning anything like that!

So no, I, and many other people, have no idea what "my" pronouns would be under this belief system. I suspect almost everyone you assume to be "cis" would come to the same conclusion if they really thought about what statement "their" pronouns was making about them.

I, obviously, have thought about it a lot.

I don't feel the strong identification with the word "woman" as a non-physical identity that the people who say they identify as women (trans or cis) do, so the genderist version of "she" is out.

However, I also don't feel any strong identification with men so "he" is out.

Given the above you might assume non-binary or agender, but I have a female body and I feel no denial or conflict about that beyond the frustration of the lower empowerment that comes from patriarchy. I understand how my physical sex has shaped my lived experience for good and bad in ways that the opposite sex do not face and consider it important to resist the cultural erasure of female presence and achievements. So "they" is also out.

So can you see why, given all this, which is certainly not unique to me, I find it bizarre that you would assume many people would know what "their pronouns" are.

As an expert perhaps you can help. What is the pronoun set for "I'm a natal female who wishes to be respected amd understood as a biological female without the assumption of any mental gender identity"?

MelodyMalone · 27/09/2024 12:13

DadJoke · 27/09/2024 11:23

You either ask everyone or you guess everyone. You are likely to get false negatives and false positives. It’s like guessing someone’s ethnicity - you will get it right most of the time, but when you get it wrong, it’s bad.

People are welcome to "guess" what pronouns they use for me 😄

In the highly unlikely event of them getting it wrong, I will advise as such and we will all have a good laugh.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 27/09/2024 11:52

Anele22 · 27/09/2024 11:46

Guess? Hahaha! Is that what you did all your life up until the past few years when this was invented? Hazard a wild guess and hope for the best? How stressful it must’ve been for you!

😁😁

still it’s always god we can rely on DJ to keep us amused

Anele22 · 27/09/2024 11:46

DadJoke · 27/09/2024 11:08

This is so bizarre - you clearly know what your pronouns are, and yet you want the interviewer to guess! Why so coy?

Guess? Hahaha! Is that what you did all your life up until the past few years when this was invented? Hazard a wild guess and hope for the best? How stressful it must’ve been for you!

SilenceInside · 27/09/2024 11:29

In the extremely rare situation where you can't identify the person's sex and have no way of clarifying it, then you can use their name or the third-person pronouns for people whose sex you don't know, they/them. Again, this is basic grammar, which I'm sure you do actually understand, DadJoke.

You don't need to guess someone's ethnicity for any genuine purpose, and definitely not for the purposes of grammar!

DadJoke · 27/09/2024 11:23

SilenceInside · 27/09/2024 11:19

You can't honestly mean that, DadJoke. You are surely aware that for the vast vast majority the use of third-person pronouns is simply grammar and depends on being aware of the other person's sex. So, in the case of someone who is female, and that the interviewer knows is female, they will understand English grammar sufficiently to know which third-person pronouns to use. Or are you pretending not to understand how grammar works?

You either ask everyone or you guess everyone. You are likely to get false negatives and false positives. It’s like guessing someone’s ethnicity - you will get it right most of the time, but when you get it wrong, it’s bad.

Chersfrozenface · 27/09/2024 11:19

"having pronouns" is a sign of allegiance to a specific belief system.

Like wearing a crucifix.

SilenceInside · 27/09/2024 11:19

You can't honestly mean that, DadJoke. You are surely aware that for the vast vast majority the use of third-person pronouns is simply grammar and depends on being aware of the other person's sex. So, in the case of someone who is female, and that the interviewer knows is female, they will understand English grammar sufficiently to know which third-person pronouns to use. Or are you pretending not to understand how grammar works?

DadJoke · 27/09/2024 11:08

This is so bizarre - you clearly know what your pronouns are, and yet you want the interviewer to guess! Why so coy?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 27/09/2024 10:24
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twentysevendresses · 27/09/2024 00:43

I was asked this recently (not at an interview) and it threw me for a minute as I've never been asked before!

I'm very obviously a 60 year old female...I just blurted out, "Why don't you take a wild guess?" and rolled my eyes! 👀

Delphinium20 · 27/09/2024 00:34

NancyDrawed · 26/09/2024 15:56

No pronoun badges people in the interview.
No warm up question of 'do you have preferred pronouns?'

And I got the job!!!

Congratulations!!!!

EdithStourton · 26/09/2024 22:20

Oh, excellent news!

Catsmere · 26/09/2024 22:18

Congratulations, good news all round!

SirChenjins · 26/09/2024 20:58

NancyDrawed · 26/09/2024 15:56

No pronoun badges people in the interview.
No warm up question of 'do you have preferred pronouns?'

And I got the job!!!

That’s great news all round! Congratulations 😀

FitAt50 · 26/09/2024 18:07

Just say I am female.

DadJoke · 26/09/2024 17:51

Congratulations! Looking forward to hearing about pronouns in your induction meeting. At least you'll be prepared.

AlexandraLeaving · 26/09/2024 17:13

Excellent news. Well done. Good luck with your new job.

MelodyMalone · 26/09/2024 16:41

congrats @NancyDrawed ! 🥳

StainlessSteelMouse · 26/09/2024 16:23

Well done!

OchonAgusOchonOh · 26/09/2024 16:21

Well done. Congratulations.

Snowypeaks · 26/09/2024 16:03

NancyDrawed · 26/09/2024 15:56

No pronoun badges people in the interview.
No warm up question of 'do you have preferred pronouns?'

And I got the job!!!

Brilliant on all counts. Congratulations!🥂

Lovelyview · 26/09/2024 16:00

Congratulations! Well done 👏👏👏

NancyDrawed · 26/09/2024 15:56

No pronoun badges people in the interview.
No warm up question of 'do you have preferred pronouns?'

And I got the job!!!

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