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Scouts recommend mixed sex sleeping accommodation

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ArabellaScott · 23/09/2024 17:10

'To make sure all members feel included you can:

Make a range of different sleeping options available to all members, including mixed-sex accommodation, single and multiple occupancy tents or dorms, or compartment tents with single rooms in them that a young person could discreetly use.'

https://www.scouts.org.uk/volunteers/equity-diversity-and-inclusion/lgbtqplus/trans-and-gender-identity/

Scouts - Trans and gender identity

Find out how you can support trans and gender diverse young members and adult volunteers

https://www.scouts.org.uk/volunteers/equity-diversity-and-inclusion/lgbtqplus/trans-and-gender-identity

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Beth216 · 23/09/2024 17:37

Wasn't I just reading on the BBC that 14 was now the most common age for females to report being sexually assaulted?

TickingAlongNicely · 23/09/2024 17:35

MumBoss99 · 23/09/2024 17:33

well surely, it's never such a small risk it's ok? Unless an adult is also sleeping in there? and two adults at that?

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For example... a few years out campsite flooded. We had one indoor room...

Was it better for them all to sleep inside that room... or half to sleep in leaking tents?

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ArabellaScott · 23/09/2024 17:35

MumBoss99 · 23/09/2024 17:33

well surely, it's never such a small risk it's ok? Unless an adult is also sleeping in there? and two adults at that?

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The safeguarding section specifically says that adults and children must sleep separately.

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ArabellaScott · 23/09/2024 17:35

TickingAlongNicely · 23/09/2024 17:30

That has been the guidance for years.

Mixed sleeping accommodation has always been risk assessed for. It happens for many reasons, not just "inclusion".

Is the risk of abuse in mixed sex accommodation assessed?

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MumBoss99 · 23/09/2024 17:33

TickingAlongNicely · 23/09/2024 17:30

That has been the guidance for years.

Mixed sleeping accommodation has always been risk assessed for. It happens for many reasons, not just "inclusion".

well surely, it's never such a small risk it's ok? Unless an adult is also sleeping in there? and two adults at that?

TickingAlongNicely · 23/09/2024 17:30

That has been the guidance for years.

Mixed sleeping accommodation has always been risk assessed for. It happens for many reasons, not just "inclusion".

Helleofabore · 23/09/2024 17:25

Thanks Arabella.

I am sure nothing could possibly go wrong ! I mean, I remember Stephen Whittle telling everyone how when they were a girl guide, they were having sex with the scouts on camp. So, hey, why on earth would making accommodation mixed make any difference in the challenges of safeguarding vulnerable children?

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ArabellaScott · 23/09/2024 17:21

Here's the risk assessment page:

https://www.scouts.org.uk/volunteers/staying-safe-and-safeguarding/risk-assessments/

'Teenagers, such as Scouts and Explorers, are also more likely to take risks, so we need to be aware of how they perceive risk in order to help keep them safe. '

'Risk assessments should include information on how you will minimise safeguarding risks such as your ratios, following the yellow card and when undertaking a nights away event, details of your sleeping arrangements, making sure that young people and adults have separate accommodation and privacy.'

Scouts - Risk assessments

Careful planning is key to keeping safe and a key part of this is assessing and managing risk.

https://www.scouts.org.uk/volunteers/staying-safe-and-safeguarding/risk-assessments

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UtopiaPlanitia · 23/09/2024 17:19

ArabellaScott · 23/09/2024 17:10

'To make sure all members feel included you can:

Make a range of different sleeping options available to all members, including mixed-sex accommodation, single and multiple occupancy tents or dorms, or compartment tents with single rooms in them that a young person could discreetly use.'

https://www.scouts.org.uk/volunteers/equity-diversity-and-inclusion/lgbtqplus/trans-and-gender-identity/

Where the fuck are the safeguarding experts in this organisation?! Why is no-one in Scouts aware of the many reasons that this new decision of theirs is a bad idea 🤦‍♀️

MumBoss99 · 23/09/2024 17:13

Nothing could possibly go wrong.

Teenagers never have a problem with impulse control, boundaries, sexual assault or rape.

Never.

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