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Sally Hines

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WandsOut · 20/09/2024 13:38

https://x.com/sally_hines/status/1836778288112370076?s=46

"I wish I knew whether the high profile GCs who have a political and policy background and a level of legal knowledge, and yet repeatedly use mantras such as ‘sex based rights’ and ‘GC beliefs as protected’ are wilfully engaging in disinformation practices or are wildly ignorant.

The first is shocking and the latter pitiful. I’m not thinking about the shock jocks and grifters such as KJM, but GCs with a policy, research and/or academic role. Do they make things up knowingly or get things very wrong?

I’m not talking about theoretical or political understandings or perspectives which are to be invested and believed in - or not. But substantive factors. For eg, whether or not there should be ‘sex based rights’ is an opinion, a normative question.

Stating that these rights exist though is wrong. And this is why there is so little GC research published in academic journals. It’s not silencing, it’s incoherence and falsehoods. The ideal public arena for GC thought is the shock, and tease, tabloid opinion pieces.

But if one wants to be active in research, policy…

You really can’t go around just making things up and get a reputable publication. You can fool the Tories and you can be used by the far right, but you can’t get past Reviewer 2"

Is she fucking stupid?

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quantumbutterfly · 21/09/2024 11:30

I read her little diatribes...

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if someone is a trans exclusionary feminist they will almost certainly have anti-sex work and anti-porn politics - and vice versa. The constant is a denial of body autonomy and a feminism that insists it knows what is best for other women (even when told otherwise).

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‘Gender Critical’ people are renaming themselves. They are now ‘Gender Free’. This is the equivalent of white people who don’t see race or the middle class who think we live in a classless society. Funny how people in positions of privilege never want to name power dynamics.

I think it broke my irony meter.

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FranticFrankie · 21/09/2024 10:48

I read this woman’s words in complete disbelief. I just can’t believe she’s serious.
One of her replies to a poster asking if she has qualifications- ‘Er, I’m a Professor’ !!!
Professing carp I guess

TheHereticalOne · 20/09/2024 18:42

WandsOut · 20/09/2024 13:38

https://x.com/sally_hines/status/1836778288112370076?s=46

"I wish I knew whether the high profile GCs who have a political and policy background and a level of legal knowledge, and yet repeatedly use mantras such as ‘sex based rights’ and ‘GC beliefs as protected’ are wilfully engaging in disinformation practices or are wildly ignorant.

The first is shocking and the latter pitiful. I’m not thinking about the shock jocks and grifters such as KJM, but GCs with a policy, research and/or academic role. Do they make things up knowingly or get things very wrong?

I’m not talking about theoretical or political understandings or perspectives which are to be invested and believed in - or not. But substantive factors. For eg, whether or not there should be ‘sex based rights’ is an opinion, a normative question.

Stating that these rights exist though is wrong. And this is why there is so little GC research published in academic journals. It’s not silencing, it’s incoherence and falsehoods. The ideal public arena for GC thought is the shock, and tease, tabloid opinion pieces.

But if one wants to be active in research, policy…

You really can’t go around just making things up and get a reputable publication. You can fool the Tories and you can be used by the far right, but you can’t get past Reviewer 2"

Is she fucking stupid?

"Is she fucking stupid?"

I have yet to see any evidence to the contrary.

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WandsOut · 20/09/2024 18:34

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1837054699020898328.html

She might want to read Jo Phoenix's thread.

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DworkinWasRight · 20/09/2024 18:12

spannasaurus · 20/09/2024 17:07

I think I've seen it argued that the Equality Act doesn't give you rights only protection from discrimination hence there are no sex based rights. The usual linguistic slight of hand.

In that case, what do these people mean when they bang on about “trans rights”?

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 20/09/2024 18:08

she's such fun

I tend to run on the working assumption that she's using the internet while pissed

popeydokey · 20/09/2024 17:40

nauticant · 20/09/2024 17:12

What would be a short hand term for the enforceable right not to be discriminated against on the basis of one's sex?

Yeah right Lisa, a wonderful, magical animal right, hahaha!

DialSquare · 20/09/2024 17:32

It appears the biscuit taker from earlier has been usurped!

Sally Hines
HighlandCowbag · 20/09/2024 17:19

StickItInTheFamilyAlbum · 20/09/2024 14:10

Yes, she is.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sally_Hines

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Fucking hell. I bet he is spinning!

nauticant · 20/09/2024 17:12

What would be a short hand term for the enforceable right not to be discriminated against on the basis of one's sex?

RobinEllacotStrike · 20/09/2024 17:11

StainlessSteelMouse · 20/09/2024 16:59

I can never quite believe that Sally Hines is real, and not a Titania McGrath type character invented to make online wokelords look stupid.

You are not alone there!

spannasaurus · 20/09/2024 17:07

I think I've seen it argued that the Equality Act doesn't give you rights only protection from discrimination hence there are no sex based rights. The usual linguistic slight of hand.

StainlessSteelMouse · 20/09/2024 16:59

I can never quite believe that Sally Hines is real, and not a Titania McGrath type character invented to make online wokelords look stupid.

RoyalCorgi · 20/09/2024 16:53

Sex-based rights are enshrined in the Equality Act (and before that, in the Sex Discrimination Act and the Equal Pay Act). Is she really not aware of that, or is she just a massive troll?

DiaAssolellat · 20/09/2024 16:37

Highly enjoyable word salad

RaspberryParade · 20/09/2024 15:16

Obviously provocative obviously attention seeking given the claims.
Eitherway who cares it doesnt matter, theyre just wasting our time.
If only we had just ignored these people IW etc, we would have got so much more done and this would have been over so much quicker.
When they said NO DEBATE we should have just said fine, and got on with it.

Instead we have spent 6 years trying to be reasonable with the unreasonable,
trying to convince the genuinely deluded, pleading with the sociopathic and engaging with those whose only aim was to point score.
It has demoralised, weakened and distracted us.

The mothers among us recognise the dynamic, we have been engaging with toddlers in ageing bodies who have been rebelling against us in one form or another.

As the adults in the room we should have ignored them from the get go and worked around them, thats the one thing they cant stand

popeydokey · 20/09/2024 14:52

"I wish I knew whether the high profile GCs who have a political and policy background and a level of legal knowledge, and yet repeatedly use mantras such as ‘sex based rights’ and ‘GC beliefs as protected’ are wilfully engaging in disinformation practices or are wildly ignorant.

Maybe they're just pissed all the time, what do you reckon, Sally?

SinnerBoy · 20/09/2024 14:49

I was very kind and helpful, I posted this link:

https://www.lewissilkin.com/en/insights/gender-critical-beliefs-in-the-workplace

... and advised Sally to read it, so's not to make such a fool of herself in future.

terryleather · 20/09/2024 14:44

DialSquare · 20/09/2024 14:35

I've seen some ironic posts from the TAs in my time but this one has got to take the biscuit.

Accusations are always admissions with the gender-addled, personality disordered and those who've been on the wine...

DialSquare · 20/09/2024 14:35

I've seen some ironic posts from the TAs in my time but this one has got to take the biscuit.

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JeremiahBullfrog · 20/09/2024 14:33

Imagine making up the vaguest most feelings-based philosophy of all time and then accusing everyone else of being incoherent ...

Occasionally some trans activist will pop up and say "nobody's saying sex doesn't exist!" But this sort of screed shows once again that there are plenty of people who, at the very least, consider sex to be of no social importance.

Brefugee · 20/09/2024 14:26

nauticant · 20/09/2024 13:47

Whenever I think who her Dad was I feel sad.

oh god no. I had never made the connection. Is it really Barry?
(he taught my mum when she went back to uni in her 50s)

StickItInTheFamilyAlbum · 20/09/2024 14:10

Theeyeballsinthesky · 20/09/2024 13:53

She’s not Barry Hines daughter is she????

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Yes, she is.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sally_Hines

ImNunTheWiser · 20/09/2024 14:00

Is she fucking stupid?

Indubitably.

Helleofabore · 20/09/2024 13:58

I remember discussing in tutorials in uni about 'sex based rights' in the 90s. It was in the context of industrial relations provisions for female people.