Trans woman murdered in Georgia, and an assault in England

Probably it was reported as a 'personal attack' which is against MN rules

MN HQ has deleted my post. Why? I was poking fun at OP, which was richly deserved.

Hopefully you mean because the terms are so overused and the definition changed so much that they are both becoming meaningless.

Violence against men who identify as women by other men certainly seems to be an issue. However I'm not sure what its relevance is to the feminism chat? Especially since many women think men who identify as women have made women less safe on the whole, particularly vulnerable women such those incarcerated with these men.

That's funny, if you look at the map it is, but as a Welsh Women I'd have to say not far enough. 🤣

The model wasn't female!
Female spaces are for females.

Aren't you currently on another thread saying that a card held up by a man in a public place about killing women by guillotene wasn't a problem and women have no right getting upitty about it or regarding him as a threat?

Aye.

TRAs threatening women with violence, encouraging others to commit violence against women, being prosecuted for threatening to murder women including a member of Parliament, beating up a pensioner woman etc is nothing, women are overreacting silly sausages for thinking these men might be a threat.

But women on Mumsnet expressing a need for female-only spaces, something our Equality Act acknowledges, is apparently a threat and the reason for male violence worldwide🤔.

1. Males are violent, keep them out of women’s spaces
2. Geography begins at home

There are about a million violent crimes every year in the UK. Just by pure random chance, we would see trans people assaulted on a regular basis.

None of this has much bearing on whether trans ideology is correct or should be given a special status in law. You wouldn't use a high rate of islamophobic assaults on Muslims as an argument that businesses and institutions should force people to accept Islam.

But the fash, yah?

Indeed.

"You're literally Hitler!!"

🙄

It always irritates me when people decide whatever political position they are opposed to must be fascist.

Fascism is a worked-through political ideology that is coherent within itself and not just "extremely strong opposition to my views".

The murder in Georgia seems to have been one where the parties were known to one another. So I wouldn't jump to conclusions about that.
As for the incident in Swansea, the young man probably would have assaulted anyone who was a bit different.
So, no, I'm not thinking either was specifically about trans legislation / issues etc.

Anti Trans ideology and fascism are becoming one and the same.

There, fixed it for you.

However, here in the UK, I doubt this xenophobic, racist, homophobic and transphobic man got radicalised on Mumsnet.

Quite.

Recently that transwoman who live streamed themself murdering and dissecting a cat, then murdered a woman- was jailed.

Just to clarify he murdered a man, Jorge Carreño.

I think what we were supposed to say is that we are glad this happened and that all trans people should be killed. That is the picture they are so desperately trying to paint of everyone who is a gender critical feminist.

Back in the real world however, we are not the violent ones, it's men who get off on violence. Until men sort their shit out, things will not improve

England?!

That’s what I’ve always assumed

Iirc more women are murdered by transwomen than transwomen are murdered. I can't seem to put my hands on the source of that though, it was much discussed a few years ago.

I think the main learning for me is that men are a violent threat, really. Many women are murdered by them, but even more men are murdered by them every year. And they are nearly always the perp against people with trans identities.

Single sex spaces is a mitigation but really until we are ready to seriously address male violence then we aren't going to get anywhere on.this stuff.

Quite. The old hippy phrase 'make love not war' springs to mind.

Interestingly the Guardian and BBC at least at first described this individual as a woman. No trans prefix. Murderers = women. Victims = Transwomen / Transgirls. 🤔

Recently that transwoman who live streamed themself murdering and dissecting a cat, then murdered a woman- was jailed.

I think in the UK the number of transwomen who commit murder Vs the number murdered is about equal, and none of the murders as horrific as they are have been linked even slightly to anything going on in politics... They are linked to male violence though.

Both stories are awful.
Im clearly being dim but I don’t see how women sometimes needing single sex spaces and saying so out loud is linked to them happening. Unless of course you think women saying no are responsible for male violence?
Remind me, which rule of misogyny is that again?
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