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Trans woman murdered in Georgia, and an assault in England

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Christinapple · 20/09/2024 12:05

https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/trans-model-killed-in-tbilisi-after-georgia-passes-law-imposing-lgbtq-restrictions/ar-AA1qTM6V

A trans woman was murdered in Georgia (the country), just after a "pro family" anti-LGBT bill was passed. The law bans same-sex marriage, gender-affirming treatments, pride books and events etc.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/dangerous-far-teenagers-brutal-assault-171552704.html

In Swansea, England a trans girl was attacked in a park by a man "using marital art moves". It happened in May but has came to light now after his phone was searched by anti-terrorism officers. The attacker is far-right, glorifies acts of terrorism, is anti-immigration and yes homophobic and transphobic.

Any lessons to be learned from these 2 cases? Do anti-LGBT laws and over-indulgence to online far-right material result in violence and people being hurt or killed?

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SinnerBoy · 21/09/2024 08:50

No, I shouldn't think so at all.

Alltheprettyseahorses · 21/09/2024 08:40

I wonder if the OP has ever posted on trans boards about all the incidents of women and girls being murdered, raped, sexually abused and assaulted by transpeople? Probably not.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 21/09/2024 08:18

What is "fruity" meant to mean here exactly, are you using a homophobic slur?

You have the word Apple in your username pet. It's a reference to that. HTH

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 21/09/2024 08:14

Christinapple · 21/09/2024 00:44

Both articles are from Friday, posting about them because they are current.

What is "fruity" meant to mean here exactly, are you using a homophobic slur?

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That's very disingenuous coming from the kind of person who thinks it's ok to use the word "queer".

Hairyesterdaygonetoday · 21/09/2024 07:16

OP, shouldn’t you be doing your homework or out playing with your friends?

Playing outdoors would give you some fresh air. Doing your homework might help you avoid such embarrassing mistakes as In Swansea, England.

Still, reading this thread would give you some much-needed facts to balance the bizarre disinformation you have picked up. But I don’t expect you bother to read facts.

MsNeis · 21/09/2024 06:11

Laws don't kill people. People (mostly men) kill people.
Terrible cases, and disgusting use of those cases by OP to prove some kind of baseless point.

SinnerBoy · 21/09/2024 05:27

The assumption that fruity = homophobia certainly adds weight to the theory that the OP is North American.

Appalonia · 21/09/2024 02:24

Comedy gold😂

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Christinapple · 21/09/2024 02:04

oh yeah.

Carry on.

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marmaladian · 21/09/2024 01:15

It's your user name doofus!😂

CrossPurposes · 21/09/2024 00:56

Christinapple · 21/09/2024 00:44

Both articles are from Friday, posting about them because they are current.

What is "fruity" meant to mean here exactly, are you using a homophobic slur?

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Have you noticed what your user name is?

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Christinapple · 21/09/2024 00:44

CocoapuffPuff · 20/09/2024 16:48

8.2 billion people in the world. Yet our fruity friend can only find 2 stories of male violence against other males who identify as the opposite sex, one incident happening in MAY.

Let's compare, shall we?

3 women are killed by men they know in the USA every day, on average.

In the UK, 2024 shows 50 women killed by men they know. Its only September.

Worldwide, more than 5 females are murdered by members of their own families EVERY SINGLE GODDAMED DAY. Fuck knows how many are murdered by strangers.

What lessons can we learn from this?

How about, male violence is a scourge to both sexes and females wanting single sex spaces free from males is so fucking understandable that you'd have to be a complete psychopath not to understand.

Are YOU a psychopath?

Both articles are from Friday, posting about them because they are current.

What is "fruity" meant to mean here exactly, are you using a homophobic slur?

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Snowypeaks · 20/09/2024 22:05

To some Americans, UK = England.

LoobiJee · 20/09/2024 22:04

easylikeasundaymorn · 20/09/2024 21:35

but the article doesn't mention england anywhere, although there are several references to wales, south wales police etc. So if the poster didn't know swansea was in wales, or where wales is, I don't understand why she would assume it was in england rather than america, australia, scotland, ireland, new zealand, canada etc?

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“why…assume it was in England?”

because the weblink said uk.news.yahoo and maybe the poster thinks that UK = England?

easylikeasundaymorn · 20/09/2024 21:35

LoobiJee · 20/09/2024 13:29

“Given not only did you think that Swansea is England but when even the link you posted which goes to an article from WALES online (in large font)”

My guess is that the explanation is that the poster is one of mumsnet’s North American visitors.

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but the article doesn't mention england anywhere, although there are several references to wales, south wales police etc. So if the poster didn't know swansea was in wales, or where wales is, I don't understand why she would assume it was in england rather than america, australia, scotland, ireland, new zealand, canada etc?

RaspberryParade · 20/09/2024 19:55

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ApocalipstickNow · 20/09/2024 19:50

heathspeedwell · 20/09/2024 18:53

The main lesson I'm learning from this is that it seems likely more trans people have recently died from complications surrounding surgery than from violence.

Why aren't more journalists talking about the recent tragic deaths of young people who have had gender 'affirming' surgery?

I mean, this is heartbreaking.

WappityWabbit · 20/09/2024 19:27

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Naunet · 20/09/2024 19:23

Any lessons to be learned from these 2 cases? Do anti-LGBT laws and over-indulgence to online far-right material result in violence and people being hurt or killed?

Interesting. So which anti women laws have led to all the murders of women and girls this year do you think?

CautiousLurker · 20/09/2024 19:20

heathspeedwell · 20/09/2024 18:53

The main lesson I'm learning from this is that it seems likely more trans people have recently died from complications surrounding surgery than from violence.

Why aren't more journalists talking about the recent tragic deaths of young people who have had gender 'affirming' surgery?

Indeed. In fact, more people die from rhino encounters in Africa than trans persons die as victims of male violence (seriously, google it…)

I feel we need a Rhino Deaths Day of Visibility, immediately.

TWETMIRF · 20/09/2024 19:04

kiterunning · 20/09/2024 17:41

Guessing that the OP has run away in shame.

This OP doesn't have any shame, just posts crap and ignores anything that shows the crap for what it is

heathspeedwell · 20/09/2024 18:53

The main lesson I'm learning from this is that it seems likely more trans people have recently died from complications surrounding surgery than from violence.

Why aren't more journalists talking about the recent tragic deaths of young people who have had gender 'affirming' surgery?

RaspberryParade · 20/09/2024 18:49

Lovelyview · 20/09/2024 12:41

'Authorities suspect that Abramidze's killer was her friend, and that he murdered her after an argument between the two before fleeing the scene.' https://www.advocate.com/crime/georgia-trans-woman-murder-kesaria-abramidze

So it doesn't look like the law change or any anti trans feelings incited violence in this case.

Its an incredibly sleazy move that underlines that some people are here just to point score and genuinely couldnt care less about the people they pretend to care about.
But we knew that from experience.

ApocalipstickNow · 20/09/2024 18:38

Maybe at some point we will actually look into dealing with male violence, genuinely making the world better for everyone.

Admittedly there will be less opportunity to attack and belittle women if we do this, but we all have to make sacrifices.

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