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Trans woman murdered in Georgia, and an assault in England

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Christinapple · 20/09/2024 12:05

https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/trans-model-killed-in-tbilisi-after-georgia-passes-law-imposing-lgbtq-restrictions/ar-AA1qTM6V

A trans woman was murdered in Georgia (the country), just after a "pro family" anti-LGBT bill was passed. The law bans same-sex marriage, gender-affirming treatments, pride books and events etc.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/dangerous-far-teenagers-brutal-assault-171552704.html

In Swansea, England a trans girl was attacked in a park by a man "using marital art moves". It happened in May but has came to light now after his phone was searched by anti-terrorism officers. The attacker is far-right, glorifies acts of terrorism, is anti-immigration and yes homophobic and transphobic.

Any lessons to be learned from these 2 cases? Do anti-LGBT laws and over-indulgence to online far-right material result in violence and people being hurt or killed?

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CrochetForLife · 23/09/2024 05:34

YesterdaysFuture · 20/09/2024 13:41

Putting this very bluntly, do trans rights activists celebrate every time a trans person is murdered because the murder can be used for political purposes?

Why is the first thought to come onto a site with GC people and point the finger?

They do. They basically cream themselves whenever there is a trans murder or assault. They can weaponise and USE that death/assault to push their hateful misogynistic, homophobic and femphobic ideology. As I said above, they literally salivate over it, you can sense their fingers shaking with excitement as they type out their announcement of a murder/assault. They don't a flying rat fuck about the victim. They're just something for them to use. They really 'get off' on it.

CrochetForLife · 23/09/2024 05:31

YesterdaysFuture · 20/09/2024 13:36

I would be careful when using terms like "anti-LGBT laws".

Iran has some of the worst anti-LGB laws on the planet, so bad that they encourage gay people to change sex. The high rate of sex change surgery in Iran is due to it being a deeply homophobic country, one in which parents are asked "would you rather have a straight daughter or a gay son?".

Yes, and as we can see, Trans Ideology is a deeply, deeply homophobic movement. Starting with Susie Green who transed her son who they thought was gay because her husband was homophobic and wouldn't accept their gay son.

Trans Ideology is deeply femphobic, misogynistic and homophobic. It truly is evil and regressive and hateful.

CrochetForLife · 23/09/2024 05:22

FrippEnos · 20/09/2024 12:56

Although abhorrent, neither of what you have posted were caused by "anti-LGBT laws" being passed.

It rarely ever is.

TRUTH is never important to MRAs like the OP. They lie and lie and lie and lie, and misrepresent. It's desperate and quite pitiful.

CrochetForLife · 23/09/2024 05:20

So a 'transgender' assault was really just about a drug deal.

They can never find any actual 'transphobia', can they. Because it is rarer than hens teeth.

I wonder if we posted all the articles of femphobia and females being assaulted by MRAs/TRAs, we'd fill up a thread in no time.

CrochetForLife · 23/09/2024 05:16

It's interesting that MRAs salivate - and I mean they actually relish reporting anything done to a transperson (they were literally salivating with glee over Brianna Ghey whose murder they weaponised) - whenever a transperson is attacked or murdered. But it is SO SO SO RARE, that it's barely unheard of, and 99% of murders are in the sex industry and/or by someone they know. So, not homophobic or 'transphobic'. It's quite something that trans people are so privileged and protected that any murder of them is report-worthy. Meanwhile, rapes and assaults against actual women have INCREASED, and three (3) women are murdered PER...WEEK.

But does that bare reporting? No. Just two stories of biological men murdered by people who knew them and not related to 'transphobia' at all.

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TrainedByDinosaurs · 21/09/2024 20:47

Christinapple

What is "fruity" meant to mean here exactly, are you using a homophobic slur?

Someone seems to be trying a little to hard to be offended by what women say

CocoapuffPuff · 21/09/2024 15:49

Runningupthecurtains · 21/09/2024 15:42

You miss counted - only one of the OPs victims was killed, the other was an assault so you need to factor in the millions of women who are assaulted every year to compare figures.

Good catch. Mon dieu, I'm getting as bad at truthful statistics as t'other side.

Okay, so 1 dead transidentified male against 88999 dead females.

Runningupthecurtains · 21/09/2024 15:42

CocoapuffPuff · 21/09/2024 15:32

https://kareningalasmith.com/counting-dead-women/

https://wearehourglass.org/killed-women-count-2024

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ewelinaochab/2024/09/15/rebecca-cheptegei-and-the-many-women-killed-globally/

*In 2023, the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) published highly concerning findings from 2022 on the scale of the situation including that:

  • Nearly 89,000 women and girls were intentionally killed that year, making it the highest yearly number recorded in the past two decades.
  • While the overall number of homicides globally has begun to fall in 2022 after a spike in 2021, the number of female homicides is not decreasing.*

But, naturally, 89000 dead women have to slip over into obscurity so we can "learn lessons" from 2 dead transgender identified males. I'm sure there are others but this is all the OP brought to the table, so I take your 2, and raise you by 88998.

Thoughts, OP?

You miss counted - only one of the OPs victims was killed, the other was an assault so you need to factor in the millions of women who are assaulted every year to compare figures.

CocoapuffPuff · 21/09/2024 15:32

https://kareningalasmith.com/counting-dead-women/

https://wearehourglass.org/killed-women-count-2024

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ewelinaochab/2024/09/15/rebecca-cheptegei-and-the-many-women-killed-globally/

*In 2023, the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) published highly concerning findings from 2022 on the scale of the situation including that:

  • Nearly 89,000 women and girls were intentionally killed that year, making it the highest yearly number recorded in the past two decades.
  • While the overall number of homicides globally has begun to fall in 2022 after a spike in 2021, the number of female homicides is not decreasing.*

But, naturally, 89000 dead women have to slip over into obscurity so we can "learn lessons" from 2 dead transgender identified males. I'm sure there are others but this is all the OP brought to the table, so I take your 2, and raise you by 88998.

Thoughts, OP?

counting dead women montage

Counting Dead Women

2019: UK women killed by men or where a man is the principal suspect 2018: 147 UK women killed by men or where a man is the principal suspect 2017: 147 UK women killed by men or where a man is…

https://kareningalasmith.com/counting-dead-women

ApocalipstickNow · 21/09/2024 12:57

“It was Germaine Greer wot made me do it!” Read all in your super, soaraway Graun.

Grammarnut · 21/09/2024 12:15

IDontHateRainbows · 20/09/2024 12:51

Correlation doesn't always equal causation.

Probably in most cases of a law being passed there is an attack on someone from a minority group that could be related to it but also could be random...because attacks happen all the time, so it's easy to see a link that's not necessarily there.

Indeed. Correlation does not equal causality.

Grammarnut · 21/09/2024 12:12

From the description of the murder it does not look as if the new law has anything to do with it. What is interesting is that there is a desire to make the murder look related.
Also worrying is that the UN promotes the right to change sex on official documents. In the UK such changes have resulted in harm to transpeople's health e.g. women not getting reminders for cervical smears (because their NHS record says they are male) and men not being checked for prostate cancer (ditto reason). Being able to change sex on official documents is dangerous.
I also note that Swansea is not in England. It's in Wales, where the Senned has been promoting pro-trans values for years.

SquirrelSoShiny · 21/09/2024 12:03

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 21/09/2024 10:20

Not a therapist. Any therapist in North America is only going to encourage this nonsense. I suspect the preponderance of therapy and the active encouragement of navel gazing in America has contributed to the rapid growth of this political movement.

Yes I said decent therapist. Thanks to the wonders of zoom it's probably worth North Americans and Australians looking outside their home shores!

DialSquare · 21/09/2024 10:26

OP charges their user name more times than some people change their bed so it's not surprising they forgot.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 21/09/2024 10:20

SquirrelSoShiny · 21/09/2024 09:38

So we likely have a ND, sexually confused North American who OBSESSIVELY appears on the FWR boards to bang the same drum over and over and over as some kind of weird compulsion.

OP in the nicest possible way, get a hobby or a pet or at least a decent therapist. Go outside, breathe, enjoy the sunshine. Engage with humans outside whatever endlessly affirming games or Discord groups you reside in. Be part of the world.

Not a therapist. Any therapist in North America is only going to encourage this nonsense. I suspect the preponderance of therapy and the active encouragement of navel gazing in America has contributed to the rapid growth of this political movement.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 21/09/2024 10:18

CountZacular · 21/09/2024 08:52

I’ve also wondered about this huge disconnect. For all of those intense lady-feels, it’s a complete wonder that TRAs seem to lack any consideration or empathy for actual women.

If TW were women you’d expect them to be more concerned about the very real issues women face, particularly as violence against women and girls is a very pressing concern right here in the UK right now (let alone other countries like Georgia).

If trans women were women then society would largely shrug its shoulders about systemic violence being committed against them.

Hoppinggreen · 21/09/2024 09:52

Men kill men and somehow its still all womens fault and our problem to solve

SquirrelSoShiny · 21/09/2024 09:38

So we likely have a ND, sexually confused North American who OBSESSIVELY appears on the FWR boards to bang the same drum over and over and over as some kind of weird compulsion.

OP in the nicest possible way, get a hobby or a pet or at least a decent therapist. Go outside, breathe, enjoy the sunshine. Engage with humans outside whatever endlessly affirming games or Discord groups you reside in. Be part of the world.

ANameChangePresents · 21/09/2024 09:25

Christinapple · 21/09/2024 00:44

Both articles are from Friday, posting about them because they are current.

What is "fruity" meant to mean here exactly, are you using a homophobic slur?

I know this will be deleted but you are a clown. Your username contains the word 'Apple'. Homophobic, my left boot - get a grip of yourself.

ANameChangePresents · 21/09/2024 09:21

LoobiJee · 20/09/2024 13:26

“No need to soften it. You were bang on with the blunt version. Why are these two incidents of male on male violence actually noteworthy? Holy caste much?”

Noteworthy because attacks by males against males who identify as transwomen are extremely rare in the UK.

Unlike attacks by males against women. Which are not at all rare.

Fair point on the use of the word noteworthy.

(Although I'd argue the trans identifier means next to nothing. It's male on male. Common as muck)

I would correct my verbiage by stating that I feel that even if I agreed with classification you've applied as being of import, common/daily atrocities are more worthy of attention than rare ones.

CocoapuffPuff · 21/09/2024 09:11

Christinapple · 21/09/2024 00:44

Both articles are from Friday, posting about them because they are current.

What is "fruity" meant to mean here exactly, are you using a homophobic slur?

Apple = fruit. HTH

Now, about those figures of MVAWG in the same post - any thoughts?

Nope, didn't think so. Ignore that and go straight to an accusation of homophobia cos you don't understand basic words.

Priorities noted.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 21/09/2024 08:53

Alltheprettyseahorses · 21/09/2024 08:40

I wonder if the OP has ever posted on trans boards about all the incidents of women and girls being murdered, raped, sexually abused and assaulted by transpeople? Probably not.

Nah. OP has demonstrated multiple times that they don’t care about women unless they’re the special male types of women

popeydokey · 21/09/2024 08:53

Of all the things posted on this thread and the OP responds a post about murdered women by not understanding an extremely obvious reference to his own username!

Come on, son. At least you've shown you're reading and ignoring us because you don't have a response.

And if you do respond it won't be to engage with any point made. We know. You know. Why even bother with the pretence? Does it feel good to post stuff most adults cringe at?

CountZacular · 21/09/2024 08:52

Alltheprettyseahorses · 21/09/2024 08:40

I wonder if the OP has ever posted on trans boards about all the incidents of women and girls being murdered, raped, sexually abused and assaulted by transpeople? Probably not.

I’ve also wondered about this huge disconnect. For all of those intense lady-feels, it’s a complete wonder that TRAs seem to lack any consideration or empathy for actual women.

If TW were women you’d expect them to be more concerned about the very real issues women face, particularly as violence against women and girls is a very pressing concern right here in the UK right now (let alone other countries like Georgia).

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