Canadian struggle session

Vancouver really is a beautiful city. I last went about ten years ago but probably wouldn’t go now.

Agree re Operation Let Them Speak. I just kept imagining ordinary lefty Canadians who have been indoctrinated watching this great big man telling a woman what she must believe, and having a sudden, jolting realisation that they might in fact be on the wrong side of history.

It's as if these people have read Solzhenitsyn, Havel, Lifton and others and have gone away with a message that is the upside down of it.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4382551-Live-not-by-lies-Solzhenitsyn-no-tambourines-involved?

apparently if she now says something that she doesn’t believe the upset people will be happy again.

A perfect demonstration of how this is all about power and submission. Coercive control.

Reminds me of the Iris Child poem.

I am woman
you are man
we cannot change that […]

you'd make me say that we're the same
I do not want to play that game

but what if I can wear a skirt?
and tell you that my feelings hurt?

what if my long hair I curl
can't you see I'm now a girl?
…
a woman cannot be a man
it cannot happen […]

what if my identity
tells me you're the same as me?
…
what if all the legal courts
say I can be in your sports?

what if laws are made for me
stopping you from stopping me?

what if a panel all agreed
gave me the paper I said I need?
…
say it!
say it!
make it true
say that I am just like you

I do not want to tell a lie
and say that you're the same as I
there's nothing that a man can do
to make him me when he is you
I will not say it just for you
I will not say what isn't true
I will not say it from a jail

I will always know you're […]

Are they that fast? I reckon I could lose one round a couple of corners

I was stalked by a seal in Vancouver. It followed me for nearly 2 miles.

Odd place.

How lovely 😊

From what I’ve seen in film and telly, Vancouver & BC look highly picturesque. I think I’d be wondering around going, ‘ooh, that building is from that episode of Stargate’, or ‘That’s the park that was in {insert umpteen names of various telly shows}’. 😬😂

Yup. That about nails it.

There really is a certain kind of person who gets very excited about being able to righteously abuse others like this. It's like Mr Wroe's Virgins of the 21st century.

So her mistake was apparently saying what she believed rather than sticking to the script, which upset some people, but apparently if she now says something that she doesn’t believe the upset people will be happy again.

Good for her for not compromising her beliefs to validate someone whose own self belief is so fragile, and whose need for affirmation so strong, that they are happy to accept coerced lies rather than accept reality.

I am happy to say it “Victoria, you are not a woman, you have never been a woman, you are a man. Not being a woman doesn’t make you any less of a human being, and how you live your life is your own business, but I am not prepared to lie to bolster your fallacy.”

It's a nice city. It's really a shame about the politics.

My extended family in Canada come in two basic types, Vancouver Irish and Alberta Mormon, so I've got a foot in both bits of western Canada.

I particularly enjoyed the 'in my bones' part.

Let me tell you about bones, Victoria...

I'd put it under the heading of Operation Let Them Speak - what a perfect example of entitled, misguided, irrational, disrespectful, intolerant, opinionated bullying.

It might do a lot of 'peaking' of people who up to now think that the GCers are exaggerating the degree of intolerance from the TRA side..

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, and still she resisted.
Politely not complying with the overbearing mans demand for absolute capitulation (on the record) as a starting point of discussion
Respect to her

Educator + drag queen seems to be becoming an increasingly popular combo these days 🤔

Wow. Respect is not enough. Only complete submission will do. And these people think they are on the right side of history - because they don't actually know any history.

We use MLA in N Ireland to distinguish between representatives elected to sit in Stormont and the MPs at Westminster, Arabella. Well, actually we use other less formal terms a lot too but I wouldn’t wish to sully your delicate eyes by typing them 😬

Until the last 10 years, I always had a lifelong dream to visit British Columbia and Vancouver, sadly that dream has wilted quite significantly since identitarian politics took up home there 🙁

To be fair, an elected politician in Alberta should know there aren't many of these people around.

For real lunacy you need to go to Vancouver.

Wow, Victoria was very fond of the sound of his own voice and very much enjoying the chance to lecture at length (and condescendingly) on the subject of what is considered ‘correct thought’ 🙄

I want to add that it's also interesting just how male Blokey McBlokeface is, despite obviously putting some effort in, there's a big uncanny valley feeling when I watch the video. It's almost like lying about reality isn't the winner he thinks it is.

I knew Canada was bad but Christ on a Bike

So glad I no longer live there

What an arsehole that bloke is.