BonfireLady · 17/09/2024 23:04

Quite the watch indeed.

Imagine this with any other belief.

"Until you agree that God is the Father/Allah is great we can't start this conversation"

"But what if I say that I'm happy we hold different beliefs? Could we still start the conversation?"

"Nooooooo. Goodbye"

Well, that's that then.

JanesLittleGirl · 17/09/2024 22:13

FlirtsWithRhinos · 17/09/2024 18:10

Not even because it's a lie.

I'm OK with kind white lies like "no your bum looks fine in that dress" that are only lies about the person's reality. If TWAW was that sort of a lie I'd have no issue being kind.

The issue with TWAW is that it is a lie not just about trans women but about every single woman (female person)'s reality.

It is the lie that the thing that makes men and women different is how they think not the bodies they have.

It is the lie that our minds just happen to come out different and it's nothing to do with how society treats us due to our sex.

It is the lie that our body sex has no impact on our lives but whether we think as a man or a woman does.

It is abhorrent than anyone would believe a man's need to hear he is a woman is more worthy of respect than a woman's need for her own reality.

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I love you for this perfect summary.

Thank you so much.

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ArabellaScott · 17/09/2024 21:29

Duper's delight.

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lcakethereforeIam · 17/09/2024 21:19

Did you notice him snigger when he said 'woman'?

Waitingfordoggo · 17/09/2024 20:45

Oh that’s so sad to hear @DrBlackbird. 😕

WarriorN · 17/09/2024 20:34

It's just awful to watch.

Her poise in the face of such manipulation is amazing.,

Pudmyboy · 17/09/2024 20:32

ArabellaScott · 17/09/2024 16:18

A university professor. And a drag queen.

https://www.instagram.com/karla.marx1917

And into a bit of fetish gear I note

Boiledbeetle · 17/09/2024 20:09

ArabellaScott · 17/09/2024 14:56

Independent MLA Jennifer Johnston has been forced to attend re education.

Quite a watch.

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DrBlackbird · 17/09/2024 20:05

Waitingfordoggo · 17/09/2024 17:14

Vancouver really is a beautiful city. I last went about ten years ago but probably wouldn’t go now.

Agree re Operation Let Them Speak. I just kept imagining ordinary lefty Canadians who have been indoctrinated watching this great big man telling a woman what she must believe, and having a sudden, jolting realisation that they might in fact be on the wrong side of history.

I so badly wish that were so. Sadly I know Canadians who started out as sex realists but have gradually succumbed to the Borg. Really upsetting to realise how easily intelligent people can be persuaded to buy into the unthinkable.

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ArabellaScott · 17/09/2024 19:12

Again, 'gender' or 'TWAW' or whatever are the maguffins.

The key is the person with power forcing the person without power to submit.

That's why the hackles of virtually every person who recognises coercion go straight up when they watch that clip.

It's a perfect example of 'Let them speak'.

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ArabellaScott · 17/09/2024 19:10

And in this video, the power play is laid out very, very clearly.

The man tries to force the woman to state her submission.

She refuses.

The man denounces her, and details how he will punish her.

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ArabellaScott · 17/09/2024 19:09

FlirtsWithRhinos · 17/09/2024 18:10

Not even because it's a lie.

I'm OK with kind white lies like "no your bum looks fine in that dress" that are only lies about the person's reality. If TWAW was that sort of a lie I'd have no issue being kind.

The issue with TWAW is that it is a lie not just about trans women but about every single woman (female person)'s reality.

It is the lie that the thing that makes men and women different is how they think not the bodies they have.

It is the lie that our minds just happen to come out different and it's nothing to do with how society treats us due to our sex.

It is the lie that our body sex has no impact on our lives but whether we think as a man or a woman does.

It is abhorrent than anyone would believe a man's need to hear he is a woman is more worthy of respect than a woman's need for her own reality.

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It's a deliberate absurdity.

It's a deliberate lie.

It's the attempt to coerce someone to recite the catechism when we all know it's not true that is the problem.

The issue isn't the erstwhile belief/fact/statement, the issue is the forcing someone to mouth a known lie.

It's pure power play. It only works because it's a lie.

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ArabellaScott · 17/09/2024 19:07

TempestTost · 17/09/2024 17:23

Faster than people think. And if you are on the sand you are slow.

They have a nasty bite too, they often get infected even if the bite itself doesn't do much damage.

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Is that seal singing 'into the thick of it'?

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MarieDeGournay · 17/09/2024 18:17

NoBinturongsHereMate · 17/09/2024 17:42

I was on a coastal path, the seal was in the water. It swam alongside and kept popping up to stare at me.

Sounds like a Seal of Approval to me

FlirtsWithRhinos · 17/09/2024 18:10

NoBinturongsHereMate · 17/09/2024 17:48

My issue is not so much that I feel a burning need to say trans women are men, and more that I feel a burning need to not accept for myself a definition of Woman as a mental state that includes both male people and me.

Exactly.

I'm not.going to chase Victoria round a supermarket to gratuitously.point out his sex. But if someone wants me.to say he's a woman, I can't. Because it's a lie.

Not even because it's a lie.

I'm OK with kind white lies like "no your bum looks fine in that dress" that are only lies about the person's reality. If TWAW was that sort of a lie I'd have no issue being kind.

The issue with TWAW is that it is a lie not just about trans women but about every single woman (female person)'s reality.

It is the lie that the thing that makes men and women different is how they think not the bodies they have.

It is the lie that our minds just happen to come out different and it's nothing to do with how society treats us due to our sex.

It is the lie that our body sex has no impact on our lives but whether we think as a man or a woman does.

It is abhorrent than anyone would believe a man's need to hear he is a woman is more worthy of respect than a woman's need for her own reality.

Rightsraptor · 17/09/2024 18:02

Victoria has very large hands.

GladAllOver · 17/09/2024 17:55

In your bones? Your male bones?

NoBinturongsHereMate · 17/09/2024 17:48

My issue is not so much that I feel a burning need to say trans women are men, and more that I feel a burning need to not accept for myself a definition of Woman as a mental state that includes both male people and me.

Exactly.

I'm not.going to chase Victoria round a supermarket to gratuitously.point out his sex. But if someone wants me.to say he's a woman, I can't. Because it's a lie.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/09/2024 17:43

Perhaps it wanted to come home with you? Agree it must have been quite intimidating!

NoBinturongsHereMate · 17/09/2024 17:42

I was on a coastal path, the seal was in the water. It swam alongside and kept popping up to stare at me.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 17/09/2024 17:31

On topic...

My issue is not so much that I feel a burning need to say trans women are men, and more that I feel a burning need to not accept for myself a definition of Woman as a mental state that includes both male people and me.

It might seem like splitting hairs but I think it's really important. I'm not motivated by mean urge to deny someone something trivial, I'm motivated by the existential need not to give away my own self definition.

ILikeDungs · 17/09/2024 17:30

say it!
say it!
make it true
say that I am just like you

Exactly! This was the man in the clip. So happy she politely stood her ground

TempestTost · 17/09/2024 17:23

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/09/2024 17:03

Are they that fast? I reckon I could lose one round a couple of corners

Faster than people think. And if you are on the sand you are slow.

They have a nasty bite too, they often get infected even if the bite itself doesn't do much damage.

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FlirtsWithRhinos · 17/09/2024 17:23

@UtopiaPlanitia have a gratuitous Thanks for referencing Stargate and its universe of planets that look just like BC 😁

FranticFrankie · 17/09/2024 17:20

Bones??? Bones? How very dare, Victoria

Canadian struggle session

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