Canadian struggle session

@Grammarnut You can use any "rude" words you like on MN, they don't get censored.

Deep down they know very well that they're as male as can be and we can all see that. It's one of the reasons they're permanently angry. They're not what they want to be and they can't make other people think they are, and that makes them furious because their demands aren't met.

The furry litter box thing didn't happen. Please don't give those who would deny the harm genderism does an excuse to dismiss it.

For genderists, 3% wrong in a list of criticism that's 97% true is more than enough "poop" to decide there can't possibly any valid criticism at all.

Need to add to my previous post: I agree with you @SpidersAreShitheads, 'poop' was not the greatest analogy for the wicked things done in the name of affirmative action for trans children. Wicked is a better word? Furries using litter boxes, girls having double mastectomies at 14, feeding teenagers puberty blockers so they are sterilized? That is wickedness - evil - in the classroom.

Many thanks for that post. She did not, as you point out, call trans children 'poop', she called chemical castration, double mastectomies for 14-year-olds, and litter boxes in the classroom for 'furries' (politically correct euphemism kicks in) poo. And I agree with her. It is.
A pity her politics are not mine, but one cannot agree with everything everyone thinks, after all.
I am not sure how you re-educate someone out of the obvious fact that having children who identify as 'furries' pooing in the classroom in a litter box is quite literally poo in the classroom.
Am I allowed to say 'sh*t'? MN moderation will tell me, doubtless. Should I play safe and say the USian (Canadian?) 'poop', or the English 'poo'? I think I will go with 'poo' - edited thus.

I posted a link to the audio higher up the thread, maybe page 3? It cuts in halfway through the discussion but you can hear for yourself what she actually said.

She doesn’t seem to be comparing trans teens to poop - what she’s saying is that there’s no point in academic brilliance if the child is damaged by gender ideology and chemically castrated during their teen years. It’s this which is the poop, not the child. At no point did she compare a child to poop. She’s saying chemical castration and gender ideology is ruining teens - this is the poop in the classroom.

To address previous comments that I’ve only just seen…

I’m not defending this woman and I’m not suggesting it was the best analogy to use. It was clumsy. However I can’t see that she said what has been reported - it’s a typical bad faith exaggeration.

I’m not defending her or her politics. However, I think it’s important to acknowledge the truth and not rely on biased reporting - and I would say that even if we were talking about someone with the opposite views to me. I feel very frustrated with the constant bending of the truth to score points and I’m not interested in blind tribal thinking. Honesty and accuracy matters, and everyone on all sides of a debate deserves that.

That's a report. What did she actually say?

That video was awful. Just televised bullying of a woman by a male narcissist.

I don't much care who said what about whom - nothing excuses that shit.

Good on Jennifer for refusing to capitulate.

How can you have a discussion when a condition of being allowed to participate in the discussion is that you must agree that the other person is right - without them presenting any arguments.

The breathtaking arrogance of insisting that his beliefs are more important than hers.

We knew this was a misogynistic ideology but that was a new low.

Life is an awful lot more complicated than "everything nice people think is right" and "everything mean people think is wrong".

This needs to be a sticky post on every MN board
(Along with "some people's lives are different from yours" and "it's 'etc' not 'ect'")

The issue with TWAW is that it is a lie not just about trans women but about every single woman (female person)'s reality.

It is the lie that the thing that makes men and women different is how they think not the bodies they have.

It is the lie that our minds just happen to come out different and it's nothing to do with how society treats us due to our sex.

It is the lie that our body sex has no impact on our lives but whether we think as a man or a woman does.

It is abhorrent than anyone would believe a man's need to hear he is a woman is more worthy of respect than a woman's need for her own reality.

You summed it up perfectly 👏

It is the lie that these men are perfectly safe, that we should welcome them in all our single-sex places, our rape crisis centres, our DV shelters, our prisons, our sports teams, our changing rooms, showers, toilets, everywhere we are most vulnerable. It is the lie that lesbians should open their legs to men who call themselves women. It is the lie that perpetrators of violence, and particularly sexual violence, are as often women as men.

This is how preposterous the blindingly lack of self awareness this type of person has. 'YOU MUST VALIDATE MY SENSE OF IDENTITY BY ERASING YOURS' or even worse... actual rights

I don't see anyone defending her for saying kids are like poo.

Most just don't read her as saying that at all.

It seems like a huge stretch to interpret it that way.

The apology doesn't reveal much, other than that she accepted that if people thought she was comparing kids to poo, she was sorry they felt that way.

And Global is as captured as the CBC on gender issues.

"Honestly, you don't even need to turn up the sound."

Can we put this to bed...

Your wish is my command.

I said I do not want to talk about the possible reasons I was thinking of. I recognize that I should not have mentioned my thoughts and I am sorry for doing so. You don't owe me an explanation.

I agree with you that she should not have been forced to accept Victoria as a woman, and about authoritarianism. IMO, that's no reason to give Johnson's words such a charitable (and IMO incorrect) interpretation. That is how I saw it. You see it differently. That's fine.
Can we put this to bed?

By chance, I'm reading this thread at the same time as watching a programme about Socrates, which has just said that the opposite of the Socratic method (of improving knowledge by questioning everything) is dogmatism and fanaticism.

My mind turns to Robert Lifton at times like these.

And we know those methods include: 'Don't listen to the bad person and pollute your ears with evil - just trust me that I know they said a Bad Thing'.

Yes she "admitted what she said". But what she admitted she said did not compare actual people, children, to faeces.

Every reference I could find online was an "Outraged of Tranbridge Wells" reacting to that very small quote and adding their interpretation that this is what she meant. Whatever Global News house position may be, in this case they simply replicated and amplified a biased report.

Having seen this happen many many times, with the worst possible interpretation placed on a small fraction of what someone said and then amplified all over the internet, I wanted to know what she actually said, all of it, before reacting

Now @SpidersAreShitheads has provided more context, while this woman may or may not be a dreadful person, it seems that she did not in fact "compare trans children to faeces", and this is indeed a bad faith representation of what she actually said.

Thats not me "defending her", that is me defending homesty.

The other possibilities seemed unpalatable to me.

What are you going on about? What "other possibilities"? She's not even defending her. To me this woman's political comments are completely irrelevant. Men should not be compelling her to validate their identity. You are clearly alluding to a subtext you've made up in your head. Don't be disingenuous.

I disagree but it is not worth arguing about.