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Trans dogs??

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Cooroo · 16/09/2024 15:06

Social worker wins £55,000 after row about gender-fluid dachshund

www.thetimes.com/article/76eebcbf-c161-4505-b531-685420b099e7?shareToken=55dfe8b66277bdeeae9067afe95785fb

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Harassedevictee · 18/09/2024 17:49

Very good interview, thanks for the link.

So pleased Lizzie won, but her point about her good pension years is right. Ultimately her pension may not be as good as it should have been.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 18/09/2024 17:00

ErrolTheDragon · 18/09/2024 16:46

I did once get deleted for 'misgendering'....

But that was in a thread where MNHQ were a bit fast on the button and didn't realise the 'he' I was referring to was Donald Trump (who had just been elected President), not a TW who MNHQ has invited to speak at some event. I'll certainly admit to extreme dislike of Trump but I didn't disrespect his pronouns!

I once got deleted for commenting that the MP Lisa Nandy thought that male born rapists should be in prison cells with women.......... 😑

The post was reinstated with an apology but it just shows how the antics of so many transactivists are frankly unbelievable to decent people.

ErrolTheDragon · 18/09/2024 16:46

I did once get deleted for 'misgendering'....

But that was in a thread where MNHQ were a bit fast on the button and didn't realise the 'he' I was referring to was Donald Trump (who had just been elected President), not a TW who MNHQ has invited to speak at some event. I'll certainly admit to extreme dislike of Trump but I didn't disrespect his pronouns!

StickItInTheFamilyAlbum · 18/09/2024 16:40

Thatenbymum · 17/09/2024 23:50

@ErrolTheDragon read the article the person had whole thing because of being transphobic NOT towards the dog the media just used that as a title because some people like you will take that and run with it as any excuse for your hate towards trans people!

I urge you to reflect on the distinction between your personal perception and Errol's actual writing as documented/evidenced on MN.

You'll be aware that MN has firm moderation rules for FWR. If your assertions about Errol were accurate, the posting history would be Swiss Cheese but it isn't.

NothingThatTake · 18/09/2024 16:36

I really enjoyed the interview with Elizabeth Pitt. It's never been easy being a lesbian within society but it felt for a number of decades that it was moving forward. I bloody well hope this is just a blip and that this case will help us move back to a more secure lesbian framework.

MelodyMalone · 18/09/2024 16:29

lcakethereforeIam · 18/09/2024 15:35

Interview with Lizzy Pitt in the Telegraph

https://archive.ph/HCkOY paywall bypass

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/09/18/elizabeth-pitt-dog-in-dress-accused-transphobia-cambridge/

She seems bloody brilliant ❤️

That's a great interview and she makes some excellent points. I liked the bit where she said people had questioned whether she could work with trans people, given her "dreadful views", and she remarked that she'd worked (as a social worker) with murderers and rapists. Of course you don't have to like or approve of a person to work with them in a professional way.

TWETMIRF · 18/09/2024 15:20

Mmmnotsure · 18/09/2024 09:55

Thoroughly enjoyed the LinkedIn CV of the interestingly named dog owner.

It includes:
Conducting equality impact assessments
"Professor of Master in People Management"
Conflict Mediator - from his Masters: "The aim of conflict mediation is to transform a dispute in a peaceful way and to facilitate mutual understanding on the social, legal and political levels."
Online consultant in conflict management

Easy, if the people say bad things then abuse them until they say the good things. Whichever benefits men to the detriment of women is the good side

Signalbox · 18/09/2024 10:17

No report of this on the BBC or Guardian.

Mmmnotsure · 18/09/2024 09:55

Thoroughly enjoyed the LinkedIn CV of the interestingly named dog owner.

It includes:
Conducting equality impact assessments
"Professor of Master in People Management"
Conflict Mediator - from his Masters: "The aim of conflict mediation is to transform a dispute in a peaceful way and to facilitate mutual understanding on the social, legal and political levels."
Online consultant in conflict management

MrsOvertonsWindow · 18/09/2024 07:40

Grizzles · 18/09/2024 04:46

I'm just disappointed the dog wasn't a German SHEpHERd

😂

Grizzles · 18/09/2024 04:46

I'm just disappointed the dog wasn't a German SHEpHERd

caringcarer · 18/09/2024 01:27

Madness.

MelodyMalone · 18/09/2024 00:31

It's quite amusing, in a way, that the guy with the dog wanted to "prompt debate about gender", but evidently didn't want any actual debate about gender. And the super-inclusive LGBTQIA+++++ group did not prove at all inclusive to lesbians who didn't toe the party line.

ErrolTheDragon · 18/09/2024 00:19

Thatenbymum · 17/09/2024 23:50

@ErrolTheDragon read the article the person had whole thing because of being transphobic NOT towards the dog the media just used that as a title because some people like you will take that and run with it as any excuse for your hate towards trans people!

Maybe best read the documents if you think the press has 'twisted' anything.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/66e42dfa61763848f429d69c/MsElizabethhPittvvCambridgeshireCountyyCouncil-3311160-2023-CostsJudgment.pdf

MelodyMalone · 17/09/2024 23:51

Thatenbymum · 17/09/2024 23:50

@ErrolTheDragon read the article the person had whole thing because of being transphobic NOT towards the dog the media just used that as a title because some people like you will take that and run with it as any excuse for your hate towards trans people!

You do realise Elizabeth Pitt won the case?

MelodyMalone · 17/09/2024 23:50

ErrolTheDragon · 17/09/2024 23:45

What exactly do you think has been 'twisted' that we've 'fallen for'? This employment tribunal and the monetary award seem all too real.

And there was indeed a "trans dog" involved, though I'll admit it does also make a juicy hook for a story.

But come on. A story involves a trans dog, you can't expect a journalist to ignore it.

Thatenbymum · 17/09/2024 23:50

@ErrolTheDragon read the article the person had whole thing because of being transphobic NOT towards the dog the media just used that as a title because some people like you will take that and run with it as any excuse for your hate towards trans people!

ErrolTheDragon · 17/09/2024 23:45

Thatenbymum · 17/09/2024 23:38

The fact you fall for this shows alot .. like the media doesn't constantly twist stories to put a bad point on lgbt people

What exactly do you think has been 'twisted' that we've 'fallen for'? This employment tribunal and the monetary award seem all too real.

Thatenbymum · 17/09/2024 23:38

The fact you fall for this shows alot .. like the media doesn't constantly twist stories to put a bad point on lgbt people

MrsOvertonsWindow · 17/09/2024 23:29

Yet again this case has offered much unintentional hilarity. Just like the support dogs/mothers/bodyguards in the Allison Bailey case, here we have betutued gender fluid dogs and batshit owners unable to face reality.

And it's only Tuesday 😑

CautiousLurker · 17/09/2024 23:01

JanesLittleGirl · 17/09/2024 23:00

Childish I know but do

Trans dogs and Englishmen go out in the midday sun?

🤣

JanesLittleGirl · 17/09/2024 23:00

Childish I know but do

Trans dogs and Englishmen go out in the midday sun?

MelodyMalone · 17/09/2024 22:53

From the Times article:

Pitt was told that her comments had a “detrimental impact on the mental health and wellbeing of the complainants".

If people are this fragile, should they really be in the workplace? It doesn't seem that she personally abused or threatened anyone - just expressed views which were contrary to theirs, resulting in crying and shaking and sleepless nights.

Meanwhile poor old Pablo the genderfluid dog continues on his/her/their way blithely unaware of the trouble he/she/they have caused 😄