Gisele Pelicot, utterly floored by this

' An expert psychiatrist detected in him a “paraphilic deviation,” that is, a penchant for sexual acts with non-consensual people, which includes “voyeurism and somnophilia.” “The fact that his wife is inert increases his feeling of control,” said the psychiatrist.'

What is the cost to women, to society, of men's paraphilias?

'According to the police investigation, the accused could in fact be a serial rapist. After his arrest in 2020, investigators implicated him in two other cases. In the fall of 2022, already under arrest, he was charged with the 1991 rape and murder of Sophie Narme, 23, in the 19th arrondissement of Paris. He denied the accusations brought by the cold case unit, dedicated to serial or unsolved crimes and based in Nanterre. These are accusations “based solely on conjecture,” denounced his lawyer, Béatrice Zavarro. But Pélicot was also charged with an attempted rape in Seine-et-Marne in 1999. In this case, his DNA was found at the scene and he admitted the crime, but denied having used a weapon. The modus operandi was always the same: both women were drugged with ether “during a visit to an apartment; both victims were real estate agents,” according to the Nanterre prosecutor’s office. Dominique P. was also involved in the buying and selling of apartments.'

Yes. I just read it in El Pais. I had assumed that all this just came up now and it's all being discovered retrospectively, and still may be, but from what I gather from this it does look like he had been arrested before (I'm assuming Gisele and the family knew nothing)

https://english.elpais.com/international/2024-09-10/dominique-pelicot-the-great-guy-who-was-a-monster.html#

Edit: It looks like the 1999 one might be retrospective following his more recent arrest, but he was arrested in 2010 for upskirting.

Avec vous, indeed. May we never forget her.

He's admitted all charges.

You're referring to DP?

I hadn't heard that.

I just want to focus for a moment on the amazing courage of Gisele Pelicot.

What was done to her is unimaginably horrific, and the fact that she responded by waiving anonymity and appearing in court, head held high, to face her husband/abuser/rapist is incredibly brave.

She is also dealing with the emotional damage of find out that it was her chosen life partner, her “super guy”, the good father and doting grandfather, the classic 'Not my Nigel', who had been doing this to her since 2011.

Unbelievably brave.

I assume you know about miscarriages of justice? Andrew Malkinson for example. Imagine being convicted and castrated and then, years later, for the authorities to admit the conviction was wrong.

He also appears to have previous for rape and murder. He was charged with rape back in 1999 if I'm reading correctly. And is the prime suspect in an earlier rape/murder case. Arrested back in 2010 for upskirting before the recent one too.

He can't really deny it. The evidence is overwhelming! The evidence he collected himself and left available for the police to find.

Some of the men were trying to pretend it was consensual but he couldn't. And he decided to bring them down with him by describing them all as knowing rapists in court. I am sure his thinking was ' why should they get away with it when I can't' .

Interesting that the husband described himself as loving his wife. I suspect he actually believes this. And for him, his feelings of love do not preclude him seeing his wife entirely as a function in his life that he is entitled to manipulate and deceive for his own benefit. I knew a man exactly like that. His behaviour was not illegal but put his wife at risk of physical harm, material harm and emotional harm - (and all of these harms were realised). He was genuinely devastated to lose her when his behaviour was finally exposed. I think he felt he did love her, but that did not stop him from viewing her as someone whose agency he was absolutely entitled to remove through his lies and manipulations. I think that is the scary thing about a lot of men. They don't really see us as equal humans.

They describe it as stopping sperm, sex organs shrinking and stopping sexual interest and behaviours if done post puberty

I don't know why we don't do it to peadophiles.

Well yes, both would be ideal
Zero tolerance of low level sexual incontinence and getting rid of using sob stories as mitigation would also help
Sorry, it just makes me so angry. Was just reading the Huw Edwards "mitigations" and that nasty dog case recently, and these men just won't accept what they've done. The default seems to be its really hard for men to control themselves and they can't really be blamed if they "slip up"

With any luck, he'll have retained their contact details and any discussions that he had with them.

That should expedite matters enormously albeit I'd have been more accepting of this volte face had it occurred earlier in the proceedings and included these details.

Better late than never…

Why is surgical castration not a solution for rapists? Use your penis as a weapon, have it removed. A gun or knife would be removed and further use banned.

I'm cynical and think he's just trying to reduce his sentence. He's not admitting what he's done - he's following the "addiction/childhood abuse/wife's affair" script to shirk responsibility.

No. We only can't prove he did anything. I highly highly doubt he just randomly started being obsessed with strangers raping his unconscious wife after years of "being responsible".

At the very least with a license he'd have to educate himself on lack of consent through drink/drugs

Either that or ban porn/sex chat rooms so men are less likely find ways to meet these other weirdos

Surprised and relieved that he has decided to "come clean". Hopefully he will name those men who have yet to be identified by the police.

I always say this (def outing myself irl too 😂) but I think men should have a penis license and have to demonstrate they understand responsible use of a penis before they are allowed out after a certain time. It could be revoked if they were reckless or dangerous with their penis.

Just some questions, abit like the theory test for driving. Check they understand consent, that sort of thing.

I think the sentence for rape should automatically be life. Literally life. But on the other hand, such a tough sentence might encourage murder. I read this was a counterargument against bringing in the death penalty for rape in India.
But if murder sentences were tough too..the prisons aren't big enough!

I suppose another is to interview rapists (ofc they lie) & try & work out what's driving their offences. I remember reading on 1 thread that the encouragement of celibacy in the medieval times may have helped control deviants like rapists & child abusers. I do think the sexual revolution wasn't v revolutionary for women in some ways, as it led eventually to the Wild West state of porn now. & now practically anything can be accepted if it's disguised as a kink.

I think the porn industry being overhauled would help. Anything non-consensual should be taken off, ofc. But also women who only enter bc of poverty & poor education should be helped to find something they prefer. I'm sure some women like it, but probs a minority judging by how violent & extreme the material sounds.. But then it might j7st become AI..

There was a recent thread about imposing a curfew for men. Nearly all posters ridiculed it and accused the OP of misogyny. Many cited the outrageous curtailing of male freedom just because a small minority attack and rape women. But it isn't a small minority, as this case and pretty much all studies show.

That's why it's crucially relevant to the thread to identify whether it is possible for low rates of male on female violence to coexist with male freedom or if it isn't. The fact that nobody can supply any evidence that it can is damning.

A solution? Well clearly men aren't going to stop without some kind of "force" being used (I mean that figuratively), so laws need to be brought in banning men - or should we say "people with p€πises" - from certain places at certain times, in order to make them more "femalefriendly".
Yes I know that a LOT more than that needs to be done, but that would be a start.

I thought Japan had a huge problem with voyeurism