Gisele Pelicot, utterly floored by this

re not showing the videos in open court

Many, many women who have suffered sexually abuse and had it videoed and shared, say they experience be re-traumatised.

I dont ever think a video that shows women or children being abused should be shown to a wider audience.

That is why those who view videos of abuse are in law deemed to be just as responsible as the person who made it.

And I hate to say it, but I dont doubt all the pervy men who love violent pornography would be rushing to fill the court.

exactly
there are plenty of people (the majority I bet) who have experienced abuse in childhood who do not go on to abuse others- because they grew up to be adults capable of appreciating someone else's point of view and taking responsibility for their own behaviour

Then it becomes a russian-doll of responsibility. They were likely abused by people who had been abused themselves - does that mean the abuse these men received was also forgivable?

The buck stops with the person performing the behaviour in my eyes, and a history of abuse, whilst sad, is not an excuse.

Exactly this. I don't feel it's relevant.

It's always struck me as odd that things said at sentencing can see a guilty man avoid jail altogether but if said at a parole hearing the same things can see the same man sent back to the cells.

The thing I think about is how many more people have seen this and thought it sounded like a good idea. Communication as it is now gives ideas and encouragement to people who might never have crossed that line.

I'm sure I'd read the mother was still defending her husbands actions to a point? Has that changed now?

Another question for me is why is there so much time spent looking at the life and childhood of those men?

Yes most (all?) of them have had dysfunctional childhood and have suffered abuse. But are we really saying that it’s a good enough excuse for them to rape?? That somehow it makes it more understandable so they should have a lesser sentence?

For what I understand it’s all the videos that will be shown behind closed doors because ‘those videos are simply too upsetting’ (according to the judge)

The thing is, I think that exactly BECAUSE they are really upsetting that they should be shown.
Just like there was upsetting videos of accidents wo seatbelts to convince people to wear them.

The behind closed doors is absolutely not what she wanted, surely.

However, I imagine that in that small geographical area, everyone know who the accused are. There will be so many "ordinary" men missing from the community. Men not at work, children asking where their grandfather is.

I don't understand why they can't issue screen grabs from the videos of the as yet unidentified other 30. Perhaps it can't be done without showing images of GP.

So many abhorrent men, one heroic woman.

wtf! I thought she specifically wanted it open to the public?

There were no children involved, no women were killed, the family will have a hard time but they can rebuild. After all, nobody died,”

^

If the victim would have been a man (i.e. raped 80 times), do you think the mayor would have said that?

Men don't even want to be part of the solution.

^

This is the absolute crux of the matter.

They basically don't care.

Even though they have wives, daughters, mothers etc.

They don't even want to be part of the solution

Yes, I agree @HazelPlayer

It sounds highly liked he raped and murdered that estate agent.

Aren't the circumstances for the woman he raped and attempted to kill almost identical.

I guess when you've ok'd it with yourself to attack, drug, rape, stab to death and discard a young woman ..... And gone on with your daily life;

...... raping and letting a load of men rape your drugged wife, is relatively 'minor".

Dominique seems to have considered 'I was bored' as a credible defence. This whole thing left credibility behind a long time ago.

I wonder if they'll cleave to that should DP be convicted of the murders of the estate agents. "If I'd known he had a history of serial rape/murder, then perhaps I wouldn't have taken his word…".

I'd like to say it's a frankly unbelievable state of affairs but some obviously consider this to be a credible defence.

From the Guardian

.Some of the men had argued during police questioning that “if the husband was present it wasn’t rape” and “it’s his wife, he can do what he wants with her”. Gisèle

Just wow.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/sep/20/everyone-here-is-disgusted-the-village-at-the-heart-of-the-trial-that-shook-france?CMP=ShareiOSAppp_Other

I want the mayor to be confrontes with his own words... 'nobody died, there were no children involved, we can move on'.. with the reality that this man is likely to have murdered one woman and attempted to murder to another.

I want the court to be presented with evidence that these are statically unlikely to have been isolated events.. that man who get away with pushing boundaries are statistically more likely to commit crimes against women... that women and children are harmed in the creation of porn that it is very likely that these men were consumers of.

I want all of their search histories shared.. I want the world to know that when men get away with lurking in the shadows... this is where it leads... and not only is there immeasurable hurt to the women that we know about, here in the court but to the countless women who are controlled, silenced, ignored... harmed and killed... that out society refuses to see.

I cannot believe these men are saying this and thinking it's ok.

I'm no lawyer but wouldn't the line of questioning to these scumbags be how far can a husband consent for his wife? if a husband gave you permission to cut his wife's hand off would that be ok etc.

SALLY WILLIAMS meets the traumatised women of Avignon supporting and saluting rape victim Gisele Pelicot in court - and shudders with them at how ordinary the rapists all look | Daily Mail Online

Asked about whether Gisele Pelicot had consented, Andy R. replied: "As the husband had given me permission, for me she agreed to it."

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat????

Not just raping an unconcsious woman but having no qualms about it because in his mind women are men's property, and the "property" owner had given him permission.

Are these men still living in the Stone Age?

Quote from article at https://uk.news.yahoo.com/lived-lie-tearful-witness-tells-152142671.html

At least one murder and one attempted murder.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13847613/Picturesque-home-respectable-suburb-Monster-Avignon.html
My god it gets worse and worse, and if not for his wifes stable career he would have nothing. A parasitic monster.

I just posted this as it is a more coherent list than other papers.

And that fact that a cold case team identified him after all those years shows how bungled the investigation at the time must have been.

But primarily the point is it would appear he has been an active sexual preditor for over 30 years.

Or at least from 1999. Can only wonder what he may have done.

Police believe there are similarities in these two crimes which mean he is the prime suspect/alleged killer.