Gisele Pelicot, utterly floored by this

It is cruelty, out in the Open. This is what cruel people do.

JFC, a judge did this? I cannot fathom the absolute wickedness of some men. Glad someone reported him so at least his poor daughter was protected.

Jesus Christ. Sometimes you just want to burn it all down.

I hope his DD is protected, supported, cared for and loved and finds a way to move beyond that horror. How dare he do that. My god.

In other news, still in France, a JUDGE, who was offering his own 12yo daughter to be raped and sent explicit photos of her got a 3 years suspended sentence.

He got caught because, this time, some people who saw the ‘offer’ reported him…..

He also kept his parental rights until the sentence. His dd was, by then, 17.5yo.

I am glad she made her feelings known.

The victim is on trial ... the accused are protected...

Her past behaviours are admitted in evidence, their's are not.

GP asked for the journalists to be there if not the public.
The judge still says NO.
This would have avoided all the pervs that would have enjoy it!

So the videos were shown
And GP was the only woman there in the middle of the 51 men who raped her. (Re) watching what had happened. And yes the judges.

I think the journalists presence might have made it easier for her.
But more importantly, it would have allowed them to report in what they saw, not just whatever the lawyers/accused might say. There would be another level of transparency. Not for the trial in itself. But to the ‘outside’ world.

Just like the tactics from the lawyers that aimed to make an easy woman who was maybe an exhibitionist anyway, read was an easy woman, were laid bare by opening the trial to all.

except if the videos are shown publicly there would be a lot of people (mostly men) who would rather... enjoy that

I can see how Gisele may want the trial public, but not the videos public

and agreed, the judges need to see them, pretty sure they will

the jury ought to know that

There is no jury. It's a panel of 5 judges, no jury.

That’s the thing with playing the videos behind closed doors. It doesn’t show the horror of it in the same way.

Its like on the men came out and some one asked him how he’d feel if it had been his mum.
Cue for swearing and him telling the woman ‘I’ll come and rape your mum! You’re not touching MY mum!’
Obviously missing the irony of his comment….

But yes, it’s always ok when it’s someone else. It doesn’t feel real etc…
But when it’s someone close, all hell breaks loose.

See also men who tell you ‘there is rape and rape’ but are hyper protective of their own daughters, dint want them alone at night, check on the potential bf etc….

Shouldn’t it be Gisele’s decision? Makes it harder to deny what happened to her when everyone in that court is physically and viscerally made a witness to her rapes. The whole point is that what happened to her was obscene and the jury ought to know that. Feels like those men are being let off the hook not to have the videos played systematically in court. Whatever that means (though agree not to journalists/general public).

I see he's gone into hiding. Shame about the threats of violence.

What he needs is to have to walk the streets of where he lives and be mocked and humiliated.

What a contrast to the daily bravery of Gisele Pelicot.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2024/sep/17/gisele-pelicot-given-round-of-applause-outside-french-court-video

Good. Any fucker minimising these awful crimes should not be in a position of authority

Good.

But I see he's still describing the horrific crime as 'a slip up'.

Louis Bonnet - the mayor who so shamefully tried to downplay the horror of the case - has announced his resignation.

Part of me thinks the videos should be shown.. .. men will find pornographic images when they are behind ckosed doors... that argument does not withstand the need for men to be confronted with what men do to satisfy their sexual urges. Men need to be confronted with the reality that pornograplhic images are created with living human women who have feelings and emotions,,who are wives and mothers and who cannot freely consent, they are the women they meet in the street, in the supermarket, in the office and no... they are not the property of other men.

Those who comment on how, no one died, it was not a child, need to be confronted by the fact that no woman can get over this, that all women are afraid of this, that justice without public scrutiny, allows this to continue.

Bring this into the open so that no woman will ever be doubted... ever again!!

Images of men allegedly raping a drugged Frenchwoman won't be shown when the public or journalists are in court for the trial of dozens of defendants in a case that has horrified France, a judge ruled Friday.

The presiding judge in the trial of Dominique Pelicot and dozens of others ruled the videos could be shown at the request of the prosecution or defence, but not as a matter of course.

But presiding judge Roger Arata said the images were "obscene and shocking" and would therefore not be shown systematically and not with media or the public present.

It seems from this article that the court / Judge will decide https://www.barrons.com/news/court-limits-screenings-of-videos-in-france-mass-rape-case-47dd5275

She wanted the videos to be shown.
It’s the judge who didn’t ’to protect the men who are still considered innocent’ at this stage.

These trials are usually behind closed doors in France unless the victim is asking for it to be open to the public. For a trial that size to be open to all is hugely unusual in France

That actually doesn't answer the questions whether she was asked about the videos being shown in public.

And obviously (but just shows the MANipulation of the situation) to hold the trial as a whole behind closed doors just looks like trying to brush it all under the carpet.

It just gets worse. Do you have a link that at all?
Thanks.

Yes.
The trial itself was supposed to be hind closed doors. All of it.

Its not because she insisted for it to be open to all.
She has said many times, she wants to highlight to all what has happened and raise awareness about rape under the influence/unconscious.

Just been reading the testimony of the latest rapist who, despite thinking Gisele was dead, still went on to rape her and was there for three hours!

From what I've read about her husband he was much less successful than Gisele, if not an outright failure. I think part of what he did to her was to demean her, to show her who was in really in charge. Even the trips to the doctor, the being the supportive husband probably gave him a little frisson. He claims he loved her, seems more like hatred to me. Although I'm sure he loved the power he had over her.

That’s what I was thinking. Would he have said that if he’d been the victim of drugging and been raped 80+ times? I somehow think not. But then approximately 20 men haven’t been identified, have they? Makes you wonder.

I agree. According to that logic, given that the majority of victims of childhood sexual abuse are girls, the majority of perpetrators of child sexual abuse should be adult female survivors of childhood abuse.
Doesn't work out that way, though, does it?
The female survivors of CSA that I know are more likely to be tireless campaigners against, rather than perpetrators of..

the VICTIM wanted those to be shown

Did she say in open court?

Good point @IwantToRetire

But then in this case, the VICTIM wanted those to be shown.
I think because it forces people to have to acknowledge there is no discussion re the rape.
Many of those men are complaining how hard their life is now because of the investigation/trial. But they also get support from others (like the Maire of Marzan) who thinks it wasn’t that bad. Showing the videos is reducing the possibility of saying ‘I didn’t know’ (which so many are using as a defence) to ever be considered a potential excuse.