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Surely Mridul Wadhwa has to go now? Report into ERCC out.

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GargoylesofBeelzebub · 12/09/2024 12:12

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13842189/Edinburgh-Crisis-Centre-designed-protect-women-suffered-sexual-violence-condemned-failing-damning-report.html

Pretty scathing. Wadhwa cannot stay surely?

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CriticalCondition · 13/09/2024 10:34

I've just listened again in case I'd made unfair assumptions. But no, Lorna Gordon used 'she' and 'her' in the first part of the piece when she was quoting or referring to the report. When she was using her 'own' words she used MW's name (so often it was clear she was avoiding pronouns) and 'they'.
Anita Rani responded to this by referring to MW as 'she'.

And swiftly moved on into the following piece about queer something or other with obvious relish.

littlbrowndog · 13/09/2024 10:28

They need to get rid of Sandy brindly. She called MW a mother and feted him

Zita60 · 13/09/2024 10:25

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/09/2024 10:23

Did they explicitly acknowledge MW's non femaleness at any point? As I missed the first part of the report.

Yes, Lorna mentioned he was a "transgender woman" when describing the background.

nauticant · 13/09/2024 10:24

https://x.com/BBCWomansHour/status/1834513197325246949

The replies aren't best pleased.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/09/2024 10:23

Did they explicitly acknowledge MW's non femaleness at any point? As I missed the first part of the report.

WarriorN · 13/09/2024 10:22

Rightsraptor · 13/09/2024 10:19

Anita Rani's question above about where can rape survivors go now make it sound as though she thinks MW 's departure is a loss of some kind. Out of context, obviously, and I'm not listening to Woman's Hour so I've probably misunderstood.

And surely this must have implications for England and Wales? I'm thinking of Sarah Summers's case in Brighton & Hove, which I thought was coming to court this month.

No it doesn't come across like that on the radio.

Lorna described JKR's recent tweets and beiras place and that recommendations are that ERC make links with them.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/09/2024 10:22

And surely this must have implications for England and Wales? I'm thinking of Sarah Summers's case in Brighton & Hove, which I thought was coming to court this month.

I think it got put back to November

maltravers · 13/09/2024 10:21

The answer given - Beira’s Place, set up by JKRowling to offer woman centred/woman only care. I’d love to have seen Rani’s face.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/09/2024 10:21

Thank you!

WarriorN · 13/09/2024 10:21

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/09/2024 10:12

The other woman seems to have changed Wadhwa's gender to non binary half way through, she started off she/hering and then moved to "they".

Lorna read out a statement from the review (?) which used she.

Lorna only used they when she was discussing him.

Rightsraptor · 13/09/2024 10:19

Anita Rani's question above about where can rape survivors go now make it sound as though she thinks MW 's departure is a loss of some kind. Out of context, obviously, and I'm not listening to Woman's Hour so I've probably misunderstood.

And surely this must have implications for England and Wales? I'm thinking of Sarah Summers's case in Brighton & Hove, which I thought was coming to court this month.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 13/09/2024 10:18

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 13/09/2024 09:57

Do we think the message is getting across at all, or are these people so deeply captured by gender ideology that nothing will make them see sense?

I honestly don’t know. Certainly where I work the local authority, the NHS and every large brand charity is full of pronouns in emails, recording gender rather than sex even when their policies correctly reference sex as a protected characteristic and firmly be kind/jkr is a big meanie

I think they many of them still haven’t joined the dots plus they all have a handful of very proactive TRA in each organisation and I think even the ones who do get it just cannot be doing with the wearisome fight it would be to root out the ideology and/or need a job and know they’d probably be fired or sent for re education.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/09/2024 10:16

That's good, I must have misheard. Thought she said "herself". Did they mention the objections to Wadhwa were because MW was "trans" or "male"?

CriticalCondition · 13/09/2024 10:14

Throughout the piece the reporter referred to MW by name and as 'they'.

Anita Rani used 'she'.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/09/2024 10:12

The other woman seems to have changed Wadhwa's gender to non binary half way through, she started off she/hering and then moved to "they".

maltravers · 13/09/2024 10:12

Oh my! I can’t believe it was covered in such detail. Well done reporter Lorna Gordon.

Moonshiners · 13/09/2024 10:12

It's good to see that the reporter is using they not she

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/09/2024 10:11

I missed the first bit, did they actually refer to the fact that Wadhwa is male?

nauticant · 13/09/2024 10:09

Anita Rani: Where can rape survivors in Edinburgh go now?

Reporter: They can still self-refer to ERCC but also they can go to Beira's Place set up by JKR.

CriticalCondition · 13/09/2024 10:06

On R4 Woman's Hour now.

nauticant · 13/09/2024 10:05

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0022sjm

nauticant · 13/09/2024 10:04

This story is on Woman's Hour on Radio 4 now.

fromorbit · 13/09/2024 09:59

musicalfrog · 13/09/2024 09:35

He's gone. This (circled) feels significant from the BBC.

Finally ! Thanks to all the amazing women and decent men who fought for this for years.

Now to sort out the rest of the mess. We are winning. Bit by bit! Lots more to do.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/09/2024 09:58

Think Maggie Chapman from the greens was involved in this hiring.

Which would be unsurprising as MW was a member after MW left the SNP in high dudgeon after they voted to let women choose to have a same sex rather than gender forensic examiner.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 13/09/2024 09:57

Do we think the message is getting across at all, or are these people so deeply captured by gender ideology that nothing will make them see sense?

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