John Lewis 'allows trans women into bra-fitting rooms' as retailer hit by furious gender row

I find it odd that posters who claim to work in roles that involve violence against women and girls don't have a problem with dodgy blokes having access to women and girls.

They are part of the problem - certainly for women and girls; and given your experience with with male violence against women - you must surely know that already.

When female dignity, integrity and boundaries are not respected and men feel that women can be used for self gratification or validation - it is but the thin end of a very big wedge -which can end up in such refuges as you say you work in.

Speak to some trans widows to find out how transgression and boundary pushing can/does develop,

thats Not the point though is it?
the point is - you can’t deny people access to spaces, based on individual opinions of what people should and do look like.

therefore, expending such huge amounts of energy on petty shit like changing rooms and signs on toilets has absolutely no impact on anything of importance in the real world.

perhaps if you spent less time online petitioning your right to ring fence your middle of the lane, middle class spaces, like John Lewis (ffs let’s all get a grip), and actually focused on pouring some energy into real issues like domestic violence offending, sentencing for rapists and fiscal policies that marginalise marginalised women then we might have some actual traction on women’s safety.

however middle class mumsnet who don’t actually want to challenge the status quo so focus all their pent up bile on a minuscule section of society who for the vast vast vast majority don’t bother anybody at all (other then their obscenity of existing as per these vile threads) and make up their own language to give themselves some kind of special status as advocates for women.

yuck.

I’ve been a domestic violence social worker for twenty years.
as well as a volunteer sexual assault advocate for the last 12.

I can assure you, transgender men shopping for bras are not the problem.

I’ve been a domestic violence social worker for twenty years.
as well as a volunteer sexual assault advocate for the last 12.

I can assure you, transgender men shopping for bras are not the problem.

You can't tell!

Well, we're just telling men they need to stay out

Well they won't!

Ta da!!!

😄

I’ve been a domestic violence social worker for twenty years.
as well as a volunteer sexual assault advocate for the last 12.

I can assure you, transgender men shopping for bras are not the problem.

thats Not the point though is it?
the point is - you can’t deny people access to spaces, based on individual opinions of what people should and do look like.

therefore, expending such huge amounts of energy on petty shit like changing rooms and signs on toilets has absolutely no impact on anything of importance in the real world.

perhaps if you spent less time online petitioning your right to ring fence your middle of the lane, middle class spaces, like John Lewis (ffs let’s all get a grip), and actually focused on pouring some energy into real issues like domestic violence offending, sentencing for rapists and fiscal policies that marginalise marginalised women then we might have some actual traction on women’s safety.

however middle class mumsnet who don’t actually want to challenge the status quo so focus all their pent up bile on a minuscule section of society who for the vast vast vast majority don’t bother anybody at all (other then their obscenity of existing as per these vile threads) and make up their own language to give themselves some kind of special status as advocates for women.

yuck.

I’ve been a domestic violence social worker for twenty years.
as well as a volunteer sexual assault advocate for the last 12.

I can assure you, transgender men shopping for bras are not the problem.

I think many trans widows would agree about DV especially when being abused by their APG partner. And I also agree about rapists, those women with penises that commit rape should clearly be placed in the female prison estate,
Ate you a bloke btw? Because your misogyny is radiating out of you in your post.

They’re not denied based on what they look like. They’re denied based on their sex, which you keep ignoring. If an 18 year old passes for a 15 year old would that be ok? To access spaces just for 15 and under? I mean they look it so what’s the problem?

What are you doing exactly to tackle male violence?

thats Not the point though is it?
the point is - you can’t deny people access to spaces, based on individual opinions of what people should and do look like.

therefore, expending such huge amounts of energy on petty shit like changing rooms and signs on toilets has absolutely no impact on anything of importance in the real world.

perhaps if you spent less time online petitioning your right to ring fence your middle of the lane, middle class spaces, like John Lewis (ffs let’s all get a grip), and actually focused on pouring some energy into real issues like domestic violence offending, sentencing for rapists and fiscal policies that marginalise marginalised women then we might have some actual traction on women’s safety.

however middle class mumsnet who don’t actually want to challenge the status quo so focus all their pent up bile on a minuscule section of society who for the vast vast vast majority don’t bother anybody at all (other then their obscenity of existing as per these vile threads) and make up their own language to give themselves some kind of special status as advocates for women.

yuck.

thats Not the point though is it?
the point is - you can’t deny people access to spaces, based on individual opinions of what people should and do look like.

therefore, expending such huge amounts of energy on petty shit like changing rooms and signs on toilets has absolutely no impact on anything of importance in the real world.

perhaps if you spent less time online petitioning your right to ring fence your middle of the lane, middle class spaces, like John Lewis (ffs let’s all get a grip), and actually focused on pouring some energy into real issues like domestic violence offending, sentencing for rapists and fiscal policies that marginalise marginalised women then we might have some actual traction on women’s safety.

however middle class mumsnet who don’t actually want to challenge the status quo so focus all their pent up bile on a minuscule section of society who for the vast vast vast majority don’t bother anybody at all (other then their obscenity of existing as per these vile threads) and make up their own language to give themselves some kind of special status as advocates for women.

yuck.

thats Not the point though is it?
the point is - you can’t deny people access to spaces, based on individual opinions of what people should and do look like.

therefore, expending such huge amounts of energy on petty shit like changing rooms and signs on toilets has absolutely no impact on anything of importance in the real world.

perhaps if you spent less time online petitioning your right to ring fence your middle of the lane, middle class spaces, like John Lewis (ffs let’s all get a grip), and actually focused on pouring some energy into real issues like domestic violence offending, sentencing for rapists and fiscal policies that marginalise marginalised women then we might have some actual traction on women’s safety.

however middle class mumsnet who don’t actually want to challenge the status quo so focus all their pent up bile on a minuscule section of society who for the vast vast vast majority don’t bother anybody at all (other then their obscenity of existing as per these vile threads) and make up their own language to give themselves some kind of special status as advocates for women.

yuck.

thats Not the point though is it?
the point is - you can’t deny people access to spaces, based on individual opinions of what people should and do look like.

therefore, expending such huge amounts of energy on petty shit like changing rooms and signs on toilets has absolutely no impact on anything of importance in the real world.

perhaps if you spent less time online petitioning your right to ring fence your middle of the lane, middle class spaces, like John Lewis (ffs let’s all get a grip), and actually focused on pouring some energy into real issues like domestic violence offending, sentencing for rapists and fiscal policies that marginalise marginalised women then we might have some actual traction on women’s safety.

however middle class mumsnet who don’t actually want to challenge the status quo so focus all their pent up bile on a minuscule section of society who for the vast vast vast majority don’t bother anybody at all (other then their obscenity of existing as per these vile threads) and make up their own language to give themselves some kind of special status as advocates for women.

yuck.