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John Lewis 'allows trans women into bra-fitting rooms' as retailer hit by furious gender row

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IwantToRetire · 08/09/2024 23:50

High street giant John Lewis is at the centre of a furious row amid claims its controversial trans policies put the safety of female staff and customers at risk, it can be revealed.

The retail group is facing claims its inclusive transgender policies – claimed to have been unilaterally imposed on staff – are "dangerous" and relegate women to "second class employees".

Lesley Pickup, who quit her job as a "selling partner" in John Lewis' Cheadle branch, allowed her resignation letter to be published on TV comedy writer and women's rights campaigner Graham Linehan's Substack platform, "The Glinner Update". In her letter, she insisted "female colleagues live in fear of dismissal if they speak out".

Ms Pickup said that for the past 20 years, she had been "involved with female victims from all faiths, cultures, ethnicities, and backgrounds who have been subjected to domestic and sexual violence and psychological abuse by men".

For some, she said, work offered "the only time in their lives where they should have guaranteed female-only safe spaces free from the demands of men regardless of who those men claim to be".

Full story https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/uk-news/john-lewis-allows-trans-men-33622299

John Lewis 'allows trans men into bra-fitting rooms' as gender row hits retailer

The high street giant – famed for its Christmas ads and 'Never Knowingly Undersold' catchphrase – is accused of putting female staff and customers at risk in order to 'demonstrate their 'woke' credentials to a minority of the population'

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/uk-news/john-lewis-allows-trans-men-33622299

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AstonScrapingsNameChange · 25/09/2024 08:50

Nice that the tone police have turned up to scold women for being unprofessional when calling attention to safeguarding failures - because that really is the main issue, isn't it?

slow handclap....

OldCrone · 25/09/2024 08:26

ElleWoods15 · 25/09/2024 08:13

You can call out people’s behaviour without descending to the level of sounding like a nutty rant.

And no, @PollyDactyl it doesn’t give me ‘hurty feels’. As I say, it’s just that the offensive slurs and jibes undermine any point she might be trying to make.

The best argument Baroness Nicholson makes in that letter is for reform of the upper house.

I think what she's trying to do here is avoid the usual response from those unfamiliar with this demographic that so-called "transwomen" have "been through so much" and have "made enormous sacrifices" to be their "authentic selves" and have all had their penises amputated.

She is pointing out that most so called "transwomen" are what we would, just a few years ago, have called crossdressers or transvestites, and everyone was fully aware that their motivation for cross-dressing was sexual. Beer bellied, balding Bianca is a transvestite. He has a penis and has no intention of changing that.

PollyDactyl · 25/09/2024 08:20

So pleased.no hurties -
"Beer bellied Bianca" is
No slur, but the truth.

ElleWoods15 · 25/09/2024 08:13

Datun · 25/09/2024 04:27

i'm sure this is one of the rules of misogyny. Calling out men's behaviour is worse than the behaviour itself.

Should John Lewis doubt their existence, photos, blogs, tweets and articles of hundreds of BBBs are but a click away.

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You can call out people’s behaviour without descending to the level of sounding like a nutty rant.

And no, @PollyDactyl it doesn’t give me ‘hurty feels’. As I say, it’s just that the offensive slurs and jibes undermine any point she might be trying to make.

The best argument Baroness Nicholson makes in that letter is for reform of the upper house.

Datun · 25/09/2024 04:27

ElleWoods15 · 24/09/2024 22:45

It’s ’beer bellied Bianca’ that makes it crude, unprofessional, deliberately offensive and actually not worthy of response.

i'm sure this is one of the rules of misogyny. Calling out men's behaviour is worse than the behaviour itself.

Should John Lewis doubt their existence, photos, blogs, tweets and articles of hundreds of BBBs are but a click away.

Datun · 25/09/2024 04:25

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/09/2024 00:43

The reply will be very interesting. If they take issue with BBB being at all representative, they will be inundated with proof.

They could look at the staff Pride magazine they published in February and then had to remove. Maybe that's what Baroness Nicholson is basing her caricature accurate picture on.

Ahh. Enlightenment.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/09/2024 00:43

The reply will be very interesting. If they take issue with BBB being at all representative, they will be inundated with proof.

They could look at the staff Pride magazine they published in February and then had to remove. Maybe that's what Baroness Nicholson is basing her caricature accurate picture on.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 25/09/2024 00:37

Cheers @ArabellaScott - great letter!

Snowypeaks · 24/09/2024 23:19

The Baroness is a fast worker! What a woman.

StainlessSteelMouse · 24/09/2024 23:00

ElleWoods15 · 24/09/2024 22:45

It’s ’beer bellied Bianca’ that makes it crude, unprofessional, deliberately offensive and actually not worthy of response.

If you've never encountered the type, you should get out more.

PollyDactyl · 24/09/2024 22:53

ElleWoods15 · 24/09/2024 22:45

It’s ’beer bellied Bianca’ that makes it crude, unprofessional, deliberately offensive and actually not worthy of response.

oh NOES so sorry you don't like these words and that they gave you hurty feels. [hugz]

Glamourreader · 24/09/2024 22:52

She's totally brilliant 😁

RobinEllacotStrike · 24/09/2024 22:48

Follow up letter 🔥

John Lewis 'allows trans women into bra-fitting rooms' as retailer hit by furious gender row
ElleWoods15 · 24/09/2024 22:45

Datun · 24/09/2024 15:00

That is a really good letter. It's basically throwing down the gauntlet.

Beer bellied Bianca is front and centre.

The reply will be very interesting. If they take issue with BBB being at all representative, they will be inundated with proof.

She just lifted the lid

It’s ’beer bellied Bianca’ that makes it crude, unprofessional, deliberately offensive and actually not worthy of response.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 24/09/2024 19:39

That letter made me laugh. Can't wait to see the non response 😁

CriticalCondition · 24/09/2024 17:30

That is an absolute cracker of a letter! 😁

Snowypeaks · 24/09/2024 15:10

Deleted - tried and failed to screenshot letter and saw that ArabellaScott had done so!

ArabellaScott · 24/09/2024 15:09

Hre you go, Eresh.

John Lewis 'allows trans women into bra-fitting rooms' as retailer hit by furious gender row
Ereshkigalangcleg · 24/09/2024 15:06

Can anyone possibly copy and paste, I must have been sweary one time too many because she's blocked me Grin I know she's quite strict on that!

Snowypeaks · 24/09/2024 15:02

Brilliant letter. That woman should do seminars.

Datun · 24/09/2024 15:00

That is a really good letter. It's basically throwing down the gauntlet.

Beer bellied Bianca is front and centre.

The reply will be very interesting. If they take issue with BBB being at all representative, they will be inundated with proof.

She just lifted the lid

Tallisker · 24/09/2024 14:45

"...bald-headed, beer-bellied bloke with a beard who calls himself Bianca..."

Love me a bit of alliteration 😁

Hairyesterdaygonetoday · 11/09/2024 11:42

AstonScrapingsNameChange · 09/09/2024 08:51

Males don't need a bra. They don't need to be fitted. If they want one, they can measure themselves at home/ guess, like a lot of women do.

Of course shop workers 'have the same rights as anyone else' but this isn't about rights, is it? Everyone has the right to not be sexuality assaulted - that doesn't stop it happening!

This is about being supported by your employer and wider society to have reasonable boundaries. It's not at all clear that JL would support a woman employee in that situation. What she might consider sexual harassment, ie being stuck in a private space with a strange male (including trans women as they are male) and being expected to fit them for underwear, JL might consider to be 'all in a days work'.

I'm at a loss to see why anyone thinks this isn't a problem.
I can't imagine being stuck in a changing cubicle with a strange man - it would be terrifying.

As usual, it's putting the responsibility for enforcing boundaries in a difficult situation onto the woman, and blaming her if the man transgresses them 'why didn't you say no/run away/ leave him? ' 🤬

Edited to hopefully avoid breaking any rules.

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Thanks for this accurate and useful summary.

I can’t un-see photos of rapist Isla Bryson outside the court in his pink tights, so obviously enjoying that moment of fame. It’s all about forcing themselves on an unwilling audience.

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