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Starmer refuses to promise that domestic abusers will not be released early under emergency measures to combat prison overcrowding

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IwantToRetire · 08/09/2024 00:35

After being asked about the release schemes, the Prime Minister said ministers are "doing everything" to ensure domestic abusers are not released early but stopped short of confirming that they will not.

Speaking to broadcasters in Dublin, Sir Keir was discussing reports that there was a loophole in the early release scheme which could see domestic abusers released early.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/starmer-prisons-alex-chalk-domestic-abuse-early-release-overcrowding/

'I am forced into this': Starmer refuses to say domestic abusers will not be released early from prison

Sir Keir Starmer has refused to promise that domestic abusers will not be released early from prison under emergency measures to combat overcrowding.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/starmer-prisons-alex-chalk-domestic-abuse-early-release-overcrowding

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ElleWoods15 · 10/09/2024 20:06

ArabellaScott · 10/09/2024 19:22

Horrific. After all her bravery getting him put away.

Absolutely. I can barely comprehend how brave she would have needed to be.

I sincerely hope this is not the first of many such stories this week.

IwantToRetire · 10/09/2024 19:38

No doubt all the party first before people will say as its being done by Labour its okay - I wonder if local people will riot at early release prisoners taking up hotel rooms?

The Ministry of Justice is keen to distance this policy from the Home Office's housing of migrants in hotels, which costs the taxpayer millions of pounds a day.

"If an offender is at risk of homelessness upon release, they will be housed in community accommodation, and we expect to provide housing for the majority of offenders using existing provision.

"But should there not be enough provision, I have authorised probation directors to make use of alternative arrangements, including budget hotels, as a temporary measure for the cases that we will see in the next few weeks."

https://news.sky.com/story/early-release-prisoners-could-be-housed-in-budget-hotels-justice-secretary-13212309

Early release prisoners could be housed in budget hotels

The Ministry of Justice is keen to distance this policy from the Home Office's housing of migrants in hotels, which costs the taxpayer millions of pounds a day. Instead, this policy is intended to be used as a last resort - and may not be needed at all...

https://news.sky.com/story/early-release-prisoners-could-be-housed-in-budget-hotels-justice-secretary-13212309

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ArabellaScott · 10/09/2024 19:22

ElleWoods15 · 10/09/2024 19:18

But actually, so it does begin.

Presumably this is why Starmer wouldn’t confirm they wouldn’t release DV abusers. Poor poor woman.

(Apols for the Daily Mail link- that’s how it was sent to me!)

Horrific. After all her bravery getting him put away.

EasternStandard · 10/09/2024 19:22

The images of early release prisoners celebrating together with pensioners vote is a very depressing day

ElleWoods15 · 10/09/2024 19:18

But actually, so it does begin.

Presumably this is why Starmer wouldn’t confirm they wouldn’t release DV abusers. Poor poor woman.

(Apols for the Daily Mail link- that’s how it was sent to me!)

GiantHornets · 09/09/2024 17:54

JenniferBooth · 09/09/2024 17:43

No, that case is not part of the early release scheme, he is not being released after serving 40% of his sentence.
He was jailed in 1997 with a minimum term (reduced to) 18 years. He has served 27 years.

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EasternStandard · 09/09/2024 09:13

They made a big promise re halving violence against women and headlines this morning on the prison release and domestic abusers are in conflict

So many promises were a nothing

Justcallmebebes · 09/09/2024 08:30

Heylo · 08/09/2024 09:05

Why is anyone surprised. This is a prime minister who made Lisa Nandy ‘trans rapists should be in female prisons’ his culture secretary.

this doesn’t surprise me at all. Labour hate women, no one should be shocked when their actions reflect that.

To be fair, Labour seem to hate everyone apart from male, public sector workers.

Wonder if Jess Phillips will have anything to say on this

Freysimo · 09/09/2024 08:04

UK has a prisons minister, the very well respected Sir James Timpson, who has done a lot for prison reform. He has been silent on this, presumably because he doesn't agree with more people going to prison. We need prison reform and rehabilitation, not putting more in there. Interesting that the 'rioters' all pleaded guilty.

EasternStandard · 09/09/2024 07:02

IwantToRetire · 08/09/2024 21:54

A No 10 spokesperson said renting prison cells in Estonia had been the policy of the previous government and current ministers had made “no such plans or announcement with regard to Estonia”.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/article/2024/sep/06/estonia-prisons-uk-criminals

I'm waiting to see if 'no plans to' relates to actually doing it for youth movement schemes

If it does then the phrase means nothing

StainlessSteelMouse · 08/09/2024 22:16

Well, one can only hope Keir isn't a literary man, or he might remember that in PD James' Children of Men the authoritarian government turns the Isle of Man into a penal colony.

IwantToRetire · 08/09/2024 21:54

A No 10 spokesperson said renting prison cells in Estonia had been the policy of the previous government and current ministers had made “no such plans or announcement with regard to Estonia”.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/article/2024/sep/06/estonia-prisons-uk-criminals

Ministers dismiss claim UK government may rent prison space in Estonia

Justice ministry had reportedly been considering sending criminals in England and Wales to Baltic state

https://www.theguardian.com/society/article/2024/sep/06/estonia-prisons-uk-criminals

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StainlessSteelMouse · 08/09/2024 21:50

It's the kind of thing Joe Stalin used to go in for. Round up all the troublemakers and send them to the salt mines in Kazakhstan.

It's amazing how quickly Starmer has pivoted from denouncing the Rwanda plan as a stunt that wouldn't solve anything (where he did have a bit of a point) to planning his own cut-price gulag in Estonia.

IwantToRetire · 08/09/2024 21:48

because those Draconian sentences did completely stop the rioting

As not all of the arrests, let alone sentencing had happened by the time the riots stop, I dont think this is the case.

The rioting stopped because??
some people realised they had swallowed total lies??
people (men) thinking they would be met by hundreds like them, found they weren't??
local social pressure, reaction to the ransacking etc., made people (men) realise they weren't really gaining friends??
news coverage depicted them as moronic, gullible hooligans in contrast to sections of society that came together to undo their damage and express sorrow for the horrific deaths of 3 young girls??

What will be interesting is whether in the future reckless "influencers" will be a bit more thoughtful about what they post (I can only remember reading about one who got prosecuted) and whether those looking for a conspiracy to blame anyone but the ruling class that their lives are not as prosperous as they once were will think, hang on asylum seekers with no power didn't stop the building of affordable housing, that was the people we voted for.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy76dxkpjpjo

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StickItInTheFamilyAlbum · 08/09/2024 21:37

I have been wondering if the Estonian Govt. has consulted its own population before offering to turn Estonia into a large-scale Rikers Island.

Given the population seems to be less than 1.5M, I can't help thinking that this might have quite an impact on the population. I'm also baffled as to where all of this capacity will come from.

Is there a deal with Ryanair for prison visits? Will people fly into Tampere and catch a prison bus from there?

Lovelyview · 08/09/2024 20:34

I've been following this prisons saga with interest. I did wonder if they could release enough non violent women that they can turn over a women's prison to house men. I also understand why they imprisoned people for : 'tweeting' because those Draconian sentences did completely stop the rioting. However, what I don't understand is why the government doesn't use the same technique for men guilty of violence, sexual assault or viewing child sex abuse images. Remand men in custody and give them incredibly long sentences. Send them to Estonian prisons. Make it instantly painful to commit a violent or sexual crime. It worked on the riots so do it for male violent and sexual offending. I do think in the long term the focus has to be on rehabilitation but in the short term we need a pause button and to get these men off the streets.

IwantToRetire · 08/09/2024 20:30

The temporary scheme, which comes into effect on Tuesday, will see some prisoners released after serving 40% of their sentence behind bars in a bid to ease overcrowding.

There are exemptions from the scheme, including for domestic abusers, but newspapers have reported some domestic violence-related crimes are not always reported as such, leading to concerns these prisoners could be eligible for early release.

The prison population reached a new record high of 88,521 people on Friday and has risen by more than 1,000 people over the past four weeks.

The sharp rise is likely to have been driven by those involved in the recent disorder across parts of the country.

https://www.richmondandtwickenhamtimes.co.uk/news/national/24569929.government-doing-everything-prevent-early-release-domestic-abusers/

Government ‘doing everything’ to prevent early release of domestic abusers

Sir Keir Starmer said his Government had been ‘forced’ into the early release scheme by its Tory predecessors.

https://www.richmondandtwickenhamtimes.co.uk/news/national/24569929.government-doing-everything-prevent-early-release-domestic-abusers

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IwantToRetire · 08/09/2024 20:21

Ministers are talking tough. “Be in no doubt: we will get you,” Prime Minister Keir Starmer declared at an emergency press conference at the weekend. Home Secretary Yvette Cooper backed him up. “There will be people who were thinking they were going on their summer holidays this week, and instead they will face a knock on the door from the police,” she warned, promising “swift justice” for rioters.

If only they were addressing the thousands of men who rape women or beat up their partners in this country. Few perpetrators will ever have to face a police interview or see the inside of a police cell, even though violence against women is a “national emergency”, according to a report by police chiefs only last month.

https://unherd.com/newsroom/why-are-rioters-being-punished-more-harshly-than-some-rapists/

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IwantToRetire · 08/09/2024 19:58

I think some of the context is missing here.

Yes the Tories started to implement an early release of prisoners, but this has now been intensified by the current Labour Party directive to crack down quickly and sharply on anyone prosecuted for violence during the riots.

These people (mainly men) should of course be prosecuted if identified for committing violence, intimidation, racial abuse or whatever. But what has happened is that (political influence of the system) has meant these prosecutions are being expressed through the courts at a rate that is unprecedented.

ie as one commentator said, because Labour wants to signal how wrong they think these people are (and yes the probably are) the courts are being asked to as it were be seen to / ie perform justice at the expense of those already waiting trial, and the log jam in prisons.

Not quite sure why if Labour wants to be seen as cracking down on rioters, that they dont open up again those abandoned military bases, or even the infamous barge, to house them as they have been for asylum seekers.

So this political posture by Labour for justice for rioters to be seen to be quick and punitive has just added to existing problems

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/will-prisons-run-out-of-space/

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EasternStandard · 08/09/2024 18:12

JenniferBooth · 08/09/2024 14:02

Fuckers. When some of these prisoners are released, when they have been through whatever they have to do post release they are going to end up being classed as "vulnerable" and eligible for social housing. So Starmer and co wont have to worry about them living near them. Us who live on housing estates on the other hand............
Yet Starmer has also sworn to crack down on anti social behaviour. Does that include for those of us who live in social housing when its already become a dumping ground for offenders. And will likely get a few more.

Yes it won't affect Starmer and co.

But it will make much of society less safe.

Flibflobflibflob · 08/09/2024 18:10

We really need some new prisons, scrap the old ones, build some new, fit for purpose (bigger) ones. I’m really worried someones going to end up dead because of early release and that some aren’t being sent to prison at all when they should be.

EasternStandard · 08/09/2024 18:06

ArabellaScott · 08/09/2024 09:22

'sore loser Tories'? Is that what we can expect to be called every time we question government policy, now?

Really is juvenile. I'm guessing people can't hear anything bar praise for Labour.

They should avoid public opinion outside the very pro Labour threads on here

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